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TikTok resurfaces video of Trump saying US shouldn't have a president with felony conviction (cdn.jwplayer.com)
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Trump in 2016:

She shouldn't be allowed to run.
If she were to win this election, it would create an unprecedented constitutional crisis.
In that situation we could very well have a sitting president under felony indictment and ultimately a criminal trial.
It would grind the government to a halt.

Source: https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/donald-trump-trial-guilty-hillary-clinton-b2556563.html

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Is there anything they wouldn’t accept

Find them and ask them.

Discussing on forums like these is all find and good, but in the end it's lots of Preaching To The Choir. What people need to do is find a Red Hatter and ask them what it would take to choose their country over their party.

Outreach will win the day.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well, I get what you're saying, but I'm European and while there are plenty of right-wingers here, I haven't met any actual obvious Trumpers so far, though I'm sure plenty of them do like Trump.

Was just kinda wondering 'out loud' if there is an actual line somewhere and what it would be. It seems to me it's much easier for democrats to turn against their politicians than it is for republicans.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm Canadian, but I can still tell you why Democrats are more likely to turn against their own politicians.

People who vote Democrat tend to be more educated, and academics tend to lean left. The left-leaning academics are far more left leaning than the Democratic party and are aware that, while the Democrats are the lesser of two evils, they still stand to uphold the status quo for the ruling class, whereas the Republicans have devolved into explicit fascism.

Because the Republicans have fallen into fascism, the people who vote Republican are either undereducated and fall for the propaganda or they're part of the ruling class and want more money.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I hadn't really thought about the link to education much. I kind of figured that democrats just have more.. deal breakers than republicans, mostly due to empathy (which.. I don't think it's linked to education?). If you don't like hurting people, if you care about other people (and not just the ones you know), then there will obviously be a lot of things you won't accept.

But caring about the truth and reality and science is important, so I guess you do have a point.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Find them and ask them.

You have apparently had much more productive conversations with trumpers than I ever have.

ask them what it would take to choose their country over their party.

And, it's not hard to predict their answers.

  • Treat trans people like monsters and pedophiles, and legislate as such.
  • Knock gays back to the 80s or earlier via legislation
  • The rest of the queer community needs to STFU and pretend they don't exist.
  • Cancel all DEI programs and make them illegal
  • Immigration? No thank you!
  • Make Pride month celebrations illegal at all businesses or public areas
  • Follow the DeSantis model of history teaching, by trying to claim slavery was a benefit to slaves, or that Rosa Parks was just having a bad day and sat at the wrong end of the bus, etc
  • Support police without question - as long as it's the blacks, gays, antifa, and left-leaning protesters they are beating up on
  • Eliminate birth control and abortions nationally
  • Put back all those civil war memorials because muh heritage
  • Restrict college and high school curricula to Republican-approved materials on a national level
  • Cease all climate-change measures or spending
  • Acknowledge there is no solution to gun violence that involves restricting the activities of gun owners.

That's pretty close to the list for anyone who is flying a Trump flag. And if it's not on their list, it's still not a dealkiller.

Outreach will win the day.

You'd need to put me in kevlar and pay me a lot to go knocking on maga doors all day.

Edit: (I promise I know who Rosa Parks and Harriet Tubman were, I just flipped the name by accident in my haste!) https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rosa-parks-race-removed-florida-textbook/

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I love "Harriet Tubman on a bus," that's exactly what they would teach in a DeSantized history class.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

LOL while you are correct, I'm ashamed to say that was a mistake on my part, I just typed the wrong name.

I was referring to their attempt to whitewash what happened with Rosa Parks.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/22/us/florida-textbook-race-rosa-parks-reaj/index.html

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rosa-parks-race-removed-florida-textbook/