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Vapes threaten to undo gains in tackling dangers of tobacco, health leaders warn
(www.theguardian.com)
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if it wasn't for vaping, i would have never been able to have quit smoking/vaping. thanks to the ability to control the nicotine, i was able to completely stop.
I hoped that's what my friends would do. But they just seemed to smoke and vape before they went back to just smoking.
Huh. A bit like how I got myself off of high-sugar drinks; progressively I’ve added more and more water dilution until I was okay with pure water.
I quit vaping just four months ago. I switched from smoking when I moved to another city where smoking on public property is illegal. Vaping only caused me to continue nicotine use for about five more years at a much more constant rate.
I just seriously doubt that vaping helped you to quit.
The difference between you and the person you're responding to is that they made an intentional choice to stop smoking and used vaping as the medium through which they slowly weened themselves off. You, on the other hand, were "forced" to vape and chose to indulge in it at a "much more constant rate" because you weren't trying to quit in the first place.
I wasn’t forced to vape, I was pretty addicted to nicotine so that’s the only reason I switched to vaping.
Continuing nicotine, regardless of type keeps you addicted longer. It’s stupid to suggest vaping as a way to quit smoking—I might as well tell you to chew nicotine gum all the time.
I don't have a problem with my nicotine addiction. I have a problem with everything smelling like stale smoke, coughing constantly, and feeling all around worse. Vaping did fix those parts.
That’s great, but I’m not addressing people who don’t want to quit. I’m explicitly addressing those who push others to quit by changing nicotine delivery methods.
Also, follow up, it's not stupid, that's literally how we ween people off of addictive substances. You have literally 0 clue what you're talking about and your input provides no value in this conversation. Instead of participating by asserting your (strictly wrong) opinions, perhaps you should ask questions of people that are clearly smarter and better disciplined than you?
My opinions are backed by research-based evidence, not some “common knowledge,” bullshit excuses about “cutting back” and just switching to another nicotine delivery method.
For fuck’s sake, do I need to bookmark everything I read? Why don’t you figure out the facts and stop parroting a bunch of bullshit? “YoUR iNpUt pROviDEs nO vALue 🥴” as if encouraging people to switch nicotine delivery methods is productive for quitting.
https://whyquit.com/joel/Joel_03_31_is_cold_turkey_the_only_way.htm
Important to note that Joel has no citations for any of the claims he makes in this article tho 🤔🤔
Why don't you pay attention to how medical professionals treat addiction and keep your anecdotal, poorly educated experience out of it?
Right. You weren't literally forced to vape. You were left with no other accessible choice except vaping to continue your addiction.
And you completely failed to refute what I said. Your situation was just completely different. The other commenter went into the situation deliberately intending to cut back on their tobacco use. You, on the other hand, went into the situation deliberately intending to find a way to sustain your nicotine addiction. Do you not understand that? Your situation is that you were seeking to dive further into addiction. So that's what happened. And you can blame the chemicals for your addiction all you want, but as an addict myself, I know that you are self-indulgent and not blameless in that situation. You. Chose. To. Start. Vaping. Because. You. Wanted. To. Continue. Your. Nicotine. Intake.
Did that slow it down enough for you, bud?
Following that logic, you must also doubt that nicotine gum, patches, etc work, because they'll just cause continued nicotine use after stopping the burning of tabacoo?
Yes exactly. Continuing any kind of nicotine keeps you addicted to nicotine.
It sounds like you don’t fully understand the process many people have gone through to quit smoking successfully.
Must be hard navigating the world being so willfully ignorant. Or you're just a pedantic asshole.
🤣 Wow, overreact much?
I’m not going to sit here and pretend continuing using nicotine is the solution to quitting nicotine. I’m not saying it’s the same for all drugs (caffeine and alcohol should be quit gradually) but nicotine is totally different.
I’ve quit so many times in the past where just one cigarette or one puff on a vape was enough to restart the entire process again. I have the experience to actually confirm that—but it’s not even just me who says that. Check out whyquit.com or read studies about nicotine withdrawal if you don’t believe me.
But yeah, I’m just a pedantic asshole. And you’re just another fucking Lemmy user that thinks they know everything. Get fucked.
Anyone who has experienced addiction knows that addiction is a permanent disease and that obviously partaking in the substance again will more than likely lead to continued substance abuse. Jesus christ.
i smoked cigarettes from 13 years old until my 40s. i switched to vaping, stepped down nicotine levels to zero and finally quit all together. it took 2 years but it worked. i tried medications, cold turkey, and wasn't able to stop until the step down method.
Vaping is how I quit smoking cigarettes. I was also much more addicted to vapes than I ever was to cigarettes, but at least I didn't cough as much. Now I use nicotine pouches. The day all this shit is illegal is going to be a good day for human health.
I did the cig-vape-pouch thing. When I started vaping (when it was still believed innocuous) I noticed I breathed the same or worse than smoking, and my nicotine intake rose, because I coud just chug on the thing continuously. I then went to pouches. That actually helped. It did send my heart racing, but no smoke/vapor/smell. I quit a few months back. Allen Carr's book helped.
I had such a nasty smokers cough and spit up such nasty brown shit all day, especially in the morning, when I smoked cigarettes. I vape now, and I definitely still feel like it’s harming my lungs, no question about that, but instead of being out of breath all the time, I only get out of breath when I’m actively vaping, and I don’t cough so loud I wake up people two houses down anymore. Quitting vaping is definitely hard though, nicotine intake is instant and higher because there’s no built in “quit” like when you finish a cigarette.