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A party that's socially suppresses the people does not represent the people. I say this about capitalism and leninism both. The party should only answer to the people. Not the other way round.
Like the farmers that under threat of the party. We're forced to listen to the lunatic ramblings of Trofim Lysenko. Discarding what they knew would work to follow his unfounded recommendations. Exacerbating famines in Russia China Etc killing Millions. Committees and councils are absolutely bad about inaction. But inaction on genocide and torture I'll take that any day.
As we all know, famine never happened before the revolution. 🙄
Nice deflection. There was Global famine happening. Yes it happened before. His policies specifically pushed by the party militantly exacerbated and killed Millions more people than would have otherwise died. But you can't face that fact. This is what I talk about no ability to be rational or self critique.
How was there a global famine happening if communism only emerged in one country at that point? Doesn't that strike you as odd?
Or are you one of those ultra left "everyone except for my sooper speshul ideology is bad!"?
No. Because that's a non sequitur claim that I never made.
No not at all. I can work with liberals and other right Wingers of their ilk. I disagree with them highly. But can work with it. It's the authoritarians and those who selfishly enable authoritarians for their own benefits that I don't get along with.
You definitely implied it by blaming communism in Russia for famine, when the famine itself was global.
Okay, so you don't really care about human suffering or death (or else the immense amounts of both under liberalism would bother you) You just don't like being told what to do.
To quote what I said exactly
Is it that English isn't your primary language? Lack of reading comprehension? Or is it just your inability as a Leninist to honestly accept genuine critique?
You quoted exactly what I said and then blatantly completely misrepresented it. To be honest I'm completely unsurprised. This is what we can expect from a leninist. Also you do realize that your critique against liberals is equally valid against you as a leninist and the Nations who have adopted your ideology. Two wrongs don't make right. However there is a distinct difference here. There are liberals who in general are not authoritarian. There are not however non authoritarian leninists. It is the core differentiator of your ideology from standard Marxism.
I'm fine with deferring to expertise and following instructions. However unlike yourself I am not a slave devoted to a single static ideology. And unable to think for myself. I am fine with a national government after a fashion. I think there should be a much more even distribution of power and tight restrictions on it. But I think that for instance one perfect example of an issue that needs to be addressed at a national level. Should be guaranteeing human rights. However I don't believe that level of government has any right restricting anything outside of protecting those guarantees. Something that yes liberals have issues with. Though not to the same extent as leninists.
lol what the fuck
Okay, so like, I was trying to point out the fact that famine being widespread means that the underlying cause is bigger than politics and ideology. No one knew what the fuck they were doing. There isn't some fatal flaw of Leninism that causes famine and is somehow unique to Leninism, that's just how agriculture was before scientific understanding advanced to the point that we could truly industrialize the agricultural industry.
I literally said I also think anarchists have good ideas, I wouldn't consider myself pure M-L or anything. Back off lol
lol
And what is to be done when there aren't any experts? When all the instructions you have to follow are folk wisdom and superstition? That's what the USSR was dealing with back then. Again, no one knew what the fuck they were doing. They weren't special. That's just how the world was.
And as we speak and without any centralized ideology the agricultural industry is destroying our world; emitting carbon and methane, polluting our drinking water, incubating new diseases, causing oceanic dead zones, inducing metabolic diseases like diabetes and obesity, deforesting and destroying habitat, on and on it goes.
How do you solve that without authority to crack down and force people to stop chopping down the Amazon and stop keeping pigs in tiny cages filled with shit?
Lysenko had less idea than anyone else about what they were doing. However he was promoted to the Soviet head of agriculture science. And his batshit crazy ideas were pushed by the party. Simply out of a feel-good desire because it aligned with their political beliefs. Literally forcing Farmers to plant the wrong things against their will. And even plow glass and other trash into the fields in China to increase soil volume. Those policies demonstrably made the famine worse. It happened everywhere else in the globe for the most part too but those places did not have tens of millions combined to compare with either Russia or China. And lessenko and the party is to thank for that.
Anarchists, libertarians, and even leninists have a lot of ideological overlap. We're socialists after all. Even if leninists are only nomally so. That doesn't mean you're a centrist. Because I'll tell you one area where we anarchist / Libertarians disagree with you wildly. The authoritarian Mono Party bullshit. That you as a solid ml are always around hypocritically pushing. Or that bullshit about Al Franken recently. Perhaps you should take your own advice.
Seriously. Research Lysenko. It was literally the parties's rejection of those exact things along with scientific method facts and reality. That compounded the famine and made them rack up the high score. Seriously stop ignoring what's being said or hand waving it away. I'm not repeating his name for my own health or sanity. It is a prime example of the failures of authoritarianism leninism included.
Did you fail to notice modern farming today is largely centrally owned and controlled? It's not a bunch of little disparate mom and pop shops. There is absolutely a central ideology behind it. Perpetual and impossible growth at all costs. With no focus on sustainability.
There is Authority Beyond threats of imprisonment or murder. This is the reason no one likes leninists. To a leninist winning a debate is my gun to your head or my tank in your face. It isn't about the strength, authority, or inherent value of your ideas. Often quite the opposite. It's how you end up with thin-skinned strong men like ole poppy Pooh Bear. Speaking of Xi what are your thoughts on the recent Naomi Wu situation? She had been one of the biggest ambassadors for technology and makers for China and Chinese companies. And giving a face to many of the often too faceless Chinese people. It sure was humanitarian of ole Xi's thugs to come threaten her and her partner for the mild criticisms she made. And I do mean mild. Seeing as how Wu had previously spent most of her life hiding from the party. Yet still generally supportive and apologetic of how China has been. It's a good thing China isn't bigoted/racist. With an axe to grind against lesbians like Wu or uighers like her partner.
I'm familiar with him (we learned about his failures in my highschool actually), but his ideas (while wrong) weren't all that much worse than the other dumb shit people believed.
I'll give you one thing, decentralized agriculture at least means every individual farmer is trying their own whacky shit and occasionally they get lucky. Central control destroys that. If the central ideas are bad, like the modern model of infinite growth at any cost, then the results are bad.
Fair - but that is liberalism. The ones you think you can work with. What's up with that?
They want centralized control over their image in the West (she had an English speaking audience after all), and she wasn't the image they wanted. Tragic collateral damage in a propaganda war.
They also have a backwards notion that queer people must be silenced to promote population growth - as if we aren't, ourselves, important family members that can help our straight brothers and sisters watch their kids.
Central control is good when the central ideas are good, it's bad when the central ideas are bad. I think that's pretty obvious. What's so hard to understand about that?
While we're on China, what are your thoughts on the fact that Chinese life expectancies have surpassed Americans?