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There is an interesting trend that Gen Z men are leaning more conservative, while more Gen Z women are becoming liberal :
https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-gender-gap-young-men-women-dont-agree-politics-2024-1
I bet they could change that by asking about "ethics in journalism and media," or some such because fucking GamerGate did some severe psychological damage to a whole generation of middle school boys when they were at a vulnerable place in their development and we're just now realizing the scope of that
Did you respond to the wrong question? He asked if the numbers posted showing a much larger shift from Biden in the lead to Trump now in the lead for men, preceded by the statement that there was not as much a shift in men as there was in women. Then you go on about Gen Z.
Not all that surprising IMO, many issues that are considered "Men's Rights" issues are rarely used as more than just fodder for bitching and moaning, because the second anyone talks solutions, they end up moving towards feminism and dismantling patriarchy.
As for what issues could animate them that aren't specific to manly stuff, climate change has proven to be important to Gen Z but a lot more as a looming spectre of forthcoming death rather than as a political crisis that needs and inspires action. The zoomer doomers basically see climate change the way their boomer parents see the return of Christ.
I think most guy issues are that women have advantages in things. Like keeping kids. Domestic violence being a male only thing. Get leg up in work. Doing better in education. While not also dealing with the all men are bastards stuff and that all men need to do better (women are perfect though). Men opening up to women and women using that against them. Men needing to earn more. Men not allowed their own spaces or charity.
But that doesn't fit the narrative does it?
The narrative is all men's issues come from men.
Assuming the mother is the better caregiver by default is part of patriarchy but sure
Assuming women can't be violent is also part of patriarchy but sure
Since when is being soft fired for being a risk for maternity leave a leg up?
You mean the phenomena where women have to excel in academics for gainful employment while men are always reminded they can just do trades instead?
If every woman you meet is telling you all men are bastards, they might just feel unsafe telling you specifically to stop being a bastard.
Once again, you're raising an issue with a part of patriarchy, that men must all be stoic and cannot show emotion.
Yet again, you're raising issues with patriarchy, that men must be the breadwinners.
The fact that you suck at research is not the disproving of feminist critique of patriarchy that you think it is.
And again I iterate, what solutions do you propose? You didn't actually address what I said, that supposed Men's Rights issues are just fodder to bitch moan and declare "checkmate feminists!" Before sitting back as if that solved anything.
Well seeing as a lot of the issues are with women I think it is largely up to them to sort their shit out. I don't think as a man I should be responsible for improving women. But if you wanted me to I would think there needs to be some education probably starting in school. Additionally I think equality laws need to be better inforced as is doesn't seem equal.
Addressing your points individually. So if women are the main advocate of saying women make better care givers how is that mens fault. How should men address this issue that is belief is most propagated by women?
Again women mostly propagate this. How should we educated women that they also have issues. How can we let men talk about this issues without women laughing at them or immediately siding with women and spreading that around?
It's not. What I am referring to is how 80% of applications can be male. But 50% of the workers need to be female. But this is only for high earning male dominated fields like engineering. Children who surely must have no responsibility in sexism are sexistly discrimated against when girls get STEM clubs or funding or help but boys to not.
Look I'm if you going to push women into ideal jobs I can get behind getting more women into trade and or picking up garbage. There is a big push to getting more women into trades I know, I've talked to recrutiers and women in engineering. It seems like companies are desperate to hire them because they are women not because they are good at the job. I have even been told the next person in a job will be a women. That's unfair to men. No one should get a job just because of their sex. I personally belive that the best person for the job should get the job. If 80% of people with a degree in x are sex A then they industry, statistically, should take 80% of sex A for that job. But it isn't like that. The only exceptions I believe is teachers should be 50:50 male:female. Turns out because men are underrepresented in this area it doesn't matter.
You're making a jump here. All is an exaggerating but it does happen "guys only care about sex" "guys are dicks" Etc etc. I've actually been told be a lot of girls, friends, housemates gfs they feel safe around me. Random women I just met also frequently ask me for help. But it doesn't mean they don't make out the whole sex is terrible and they we are all responsible.
Men can show emotion, to other men. Then it's fine. Do me a favour go on somewhere like reddit and read "what happened when you opened up to women?". Women push guys to be emotional then dump them or ridicule them for being emotional. How are men meant to fix that issue that is arriving from women? If we can only get relationships and be treated with respect by acting a certain way then that's all we can do.
Yet women don't want men that aren't breadwinners. Guys done care how much their friends earn, women do.
It's a difficult issue to fix for sure. I guess I'm in the raising awareness phase. Trying to get women to understand. But unfortunately they don't seem to want to listen. They just think everything wrong with the world is because of men and women do no wrong.
I think when I can I'm going to go home I might write to the govement about certain issues. I doubt it will do anything but I might try. I'm considering serting up something about men only spaces. I really feel big on that but it's illegal so I might have to get some outreach. I'm also going to go to a country where they aren't illegal so I'm going to get some first hand experience.
I'm mulling over a book idea in my head that will address some of these points. But I have a lot of my plate right now, I don't like writing, in dyslexic and there are millions of books out there. So I doubt this will come to anything.
What solutions do you propose? All you have done is stated issues are due to "the patriarchy" like its some sort of shadow government pulling strings behind the scenes.
I found this very demeaning. Just because bad actors are the loudest doesn't mean the issues aren't valid.
How exactly?
No ot does mean it's not valid, because said issues are all literally just patriarchy, and yet whenever they're discussed in the context of men's rights it's always in the context of just trying to make the feminists shut up about feminism because "see it's bad for us too!" before then sitting back as if that helped anything.
Men not being able to express emotion? Patriarchy. Men having to be breadwinners? Patriarchy. Men being typecast for manual labor? Patriarchy. Men not being trusted with children? Patriarchy. Men not being believed when they speak out about DV? Patriarchy. Men being ridiculed when they act as a homemaker spouse or stay at home parent? Patriarchy.
Trying to talk about men's rights in opposition to feminism is impossible to do in good faith because either you're intentionally trying to shut down discussion of the actual issue at hand, toxic symptoms of patriarchal oppression, or you're a fucking moron so incapable of seeing the issues that your participation in the discussion is an active detriment to other participants in the conversation.
Men's rights kvetchers never discuss solutions, they just try to bring up ways patriarchy is bad for them too without acknowledging it's patriarchy so they can tell feminists to shut up as if that addresses anything, and then sit down without proposing solutions, because any solutions would involve dismantling patriarchy, and they literally just went to all the trouble of shutting up the feminist trying to do that.
Yeah it's definitely men's fault they're incapable of having a nuanced conversation with you....
I suspect a whole lot of young women learned that it wasn't abstract, but their own mothers had suffered assaults and abuse. Used to be moms didn't talk about it at all with their kids. But during MeToo they talked about it with their daughters but not their sons. I watched it happen in my own house.
It's true what they say, women are from Omicron Persei VII, and men are from Omicron Persei IX.