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If you ever find yourself tempted to buy a truck and/or SUV, just remember one thing: they're not worth it. They're a societal nuisance. They're a massive pollutant. The maintenance, repair, and insurance will cost you a whole lot more. Aside from the aforementioned pollution, They're overall environmental impact is egregious. These monstrosities are best left alone.

If you ever have to do any sort heavy work, rent one instead. Want to live that outdoors lifestyle? A sedan and/or hatchback will do. Just buy a bike and roof rack. Got a family? Again, sedan and/or hatchback will do but also consider a station wagon. Better yet, buy a cargo bike like the Urban Arrow or the Dutch bakfiets. These are way better options to those climate-changing abominations.

I know what I'm writing isn't anything groundbreaking but I'm writing this mostly get something off my chest in relation to a dream I had last night. The dream itself was quite boring: I was driving around in a new Ford Bronco. The thing was that, in the dream, I was quite happy about it. This happy feeling was still felt when I woke up. For a brief moment, I was thinking about buying a Bronco. I soon returned to reality. But I'm not going to lie; the temptation was strong. The temptation was made stronger by nostalgia. I grew up with these kinds of vehicles. My dad worked in labor-intense, blue collar jobs that used trucks. He even owned some himself. But, once again, they're not worth it.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

The Toyota Sienna can apparently tow ~~3.5 tonnes~~ 3500 lbs and carry 8 passengers. Average mpg while not towing is 36 too.

But most people don't tow anything ever and a van would be just fine.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Clearly I'm not most people then.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The Toyota Sienna can apparently tow 3.5 tonnes

Bullshit. Show me the spec sheet.

Also, people movers generally aren't made to move adults, eight manual labourers would be a tight fit, and leave no room for luggage.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Sorry, 3500 lbs. I'm not arguing that a minivan is a good work vehicle btw, but most families looking at SUVs would be better with a van. That's my argument.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

As a former Sienna owner, they are great for families, and absolutely cavernous. Very practical for most families.

Towing is a pop up camper or small boat. I suppose a utility trailer would work, but it’s easier to just fold down or pop out seats and I’ve always made it fit.

Definitely not a work truck, and in particular that third row bench is constraining for adults

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

The two most common use cases where I live for a ute or pickup is a tradie or tech that wants one vehicle to serve as a work vehicle and a family car, or someone who wants the towing capacity of a ute or SUV. Neither one can really use a van, as trade vans only have one row of seats.

Most SUV owners want the towing capacity and ground clearance of an SUV.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

It can tow 3500. 1.5 tons and that isn't a lot. Not as much as an SUV with a towing package and not even close to a 1/2 ton truck.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My b, 3500lbs. Most families aren't towing anything though. I'm not going to disparage anyone with a truck who needs to tow or haul a bunch. But there are people who don't tow anything and complain about midsize SUVs not having enough space for their family but balk at the idea of a van.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'm so tired of hearing this. I've met like maybe 1 truck owner who never uses it "correctly". Y'all are inventing some imaginary figure in your heads from a 15 year old survey.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Of the ones I know, they either have big caravans, or rural properties where they genuinely need an off road vehicle.

Having wet, damp gear in a separate part of the vehicle is also useful.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It may depend on where you live and work.

  • as a software engineer working in a major city, most of the truck owners I know use it for a daily commute for a single person. I have no idea about their personal time
  • the immediate neighborhood I live includes a bunch of trades who are more likely to have a need for a truck, but I only ever see one person driving an otherwise empty vehicle
[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

So wild assumptions based on people who you don't really know.

A truck owner isn't likely to tow every day not into work. Nor into the city from your office. It's going to be going from the suburbs to the boat ramp, or track, or rv campground. It's the weekends away from where they will get used "correctly".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Yeah, 1.5 tonne sounds more reasonable.

Won't tow construction equipment or a large boat or caravan, or travel off road, of course.