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Maybe because what is happening is not genocide?
When your argument is trying to explain the technical definition of genocide, you've lost the fucking argument, it's a genocide.
Technically you aren't brain dead but some might say you are brain dead. Is that the same thing?
Youre gonna have to be a bit more specific in your defense. They have been killing all Palestinians, have been saying that all Palestinians are Hamas (including kids), and have said multiple times they want to wipe them off the face of the earth.
How is that not genocide?
They are 2 million in gaza. Hamas (oh so trustworthy source...) says Israel killed over 30000 thousand.
That's 1.5%.
Palestinians are near extinction I tell you!
It's about the intent
That's still a large number of people, and we don't have to wait until it's a significant percentage of them to call it a genocide. Make up your own word if you mean something else, this is genocide (successful or not and the extent of it is left to be seen).
If there was an intent to destroy Gaza and all it's inhabitants Israel would have done so already. I probably need to see more justification than some emotional outburst a few days after getting terror attacked and israeli citizens kidnapped.
Your arguments are weak. Yes there is a sad situation where a lot of Palestinians are dying but it's not a genocide.
What do you call ethnically cleansing and starving an entire population? Is that not genocide?
I think Lemmy likes perpetuating a particular propaganda that keeps reiterating the same talking points until they are engraved in your brain. Genocide is an extremely specific judgement that requires both evidence of specific intent and specific action. You can make claims to one but not to both. The intent doesn't match the action.
Again, what so you call ethnically cleansing and starving an entire population?
So saying "wipe Gaza off the face of the Earth" followed by almost continuous bombardment isn't in your eyes evidence of specific intent and action, because they haven't wiped them out yet? Therefore, by your own definition, the colonizing Europeans never commited genocide against the indigenous American population, because there's still native Americans left and they have their own nature reserves to reside in?
It was literally like 1 day after an invasion. You need to recognize that emotions came to play.
As for your genocide of indigenous Americans, it's a completely different topic. Don't whatabout here please.
That's not whataboutism is lol.
He's not defending/minimizing doing something by pointing out the others have also done it.. he's comparing 2 situations, and saying that the definition of genocide is not limited to extinction.
But what about this other thingggggg it's completely relevanttt what about this thing tho it's just like this what about that thing remember that thing? Oh my I know it doesn't really have to do anything to do with this but what about that
He said "by your definition this would not be considered one" (which it is).
He's not doing anything related to whataboutism, you clearly don't know what it means. He's presenting an argument for the definition and common usage of the word genocide. Try to follow
I'm not in agreement with that either. I don't agree that native Americans were involved in a genocide. I would imagine most people would agree with that. It's a whatabout to me because it's not even in a similar circumstance. If you look at actual examples of genocide it doesn't look like native America or Gaza.
I mean the person who coined the term "genocide" considers the atrocities against the native Americans a genocide...
But sure, call it "ethnical cleansing" if pedantry helps you sleep better at night..
And I'll still continue using the UN recognized definition of "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group" which by my understanding fits both the American and Palestinian atrocities.
if i had a genie my one wish would be to have the word whataboutism stricken from the minds of every single redditor
What about Lemmy users too. Or what about the word redditor? I don't like that word obviously. But really what about the word stricken cuz that triggers me
good news, due to lemmy’s block feature you are now stricken from my notifications 😇
I have had you tagged as communist for like 2ish months so I don't really care