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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

I have never found a meme that suitably emphasizes the responsibility aspect. Responsibility plays an essential role in the underlying argument due to the peculiarity that responsibility can't be transferred from person to person even with consent. You find memes about workers deserving the entire value of their labor, but none that emphasize responsibility and workers' property rights to the literal produced outputs and liabilities for the used-up inputs rather than just their value

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The entire video isn't required to understand the argument. The first 15 minutes are sufficient

This argument probably can be explained in a 4 panel comic.

Probably, something like:
1 side: an employer and employee cooperating to commit a crime, which results in both of them going to jail.
Other side: an employer and employee cooperating to produce a widget resulting in the employer solely appropriating 100% of the property rights to the widget and liabilities for used-up inputs

@solarpunk

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

A variant of this should replace non-profit tax exemptions and all campaign finance rules.

The way to prevent bribing is secret and anonymous contributions. You could, for example, imagine including these contributions to your favorite media and FOSS organizations as part of your ballot.

This could be implemented by a federation of worker coops to fund local public goods that all the member coops benefit from with the matching pool coming from membership fees and Harberger leases

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Any company that receives government subsidies or is bailed out because it's too big too fail or whatever the reason should be mandated to become a worker coop

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The founders can hold more or all non-voting preferred stock in the worker coop to represent their larger stake and investment. They can also use a separate corporation, which only the founders own, with no employees to hold their capital and then lease it the worker coop

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It would definitely be easier in an economy where this was the only way of doing things.

I am not a lawyer.

Based on the underlying economic theory and ethical arguments for worker coops/employee-owned companies, what you could do in such a situation is make a separate legal entity for the worker coop, and then lease the assets of the current legal entity to the worker coop. You and your partner maintain exclusive ownership of the original legal entity

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The statement being false implies that it is true, which is why this statement is contradictory if there are any omniscient beings

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Today's legal systems mandate that legal responsibility be non-transferable for crimes. The economic democracy position argues that legal responsibility should be generally non-transferable matching general non-transferability of de facto responsibility due to the principle of justice that legal and de facto responsibility should match. Not all mandates are authoritarian (e.g. a mandate that one must respect others' personal property). Employment violates workers' property rights

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Political democracy also mandates legal non-transferability for voting rights. Would you allow people to sell or transfer their voting rights?

People prefer democratic firms: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/american-political-science-review/article/what-do-americans-want-from-private-government-experimental-evidence-demonstrates-that-americans-want-workplace-democracy/D9C1DBB6F95D9EEA35A34ABF016511F4

A mandate doesn't restrict any non-institutionally-described action as labor is de facto non-transferable. It only prevents fraudulently treating de facto responsible persons as legal non-responsible things.

Are we free when we can sell our freedom or when we can't even if we want to?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

The idea is to mandate worker coop structure on all firms.

It's not that telling. Without a worker coop mandate, there are collective action problems and market failures. It's harder for all the workers to cooperate to form a worker coop than an employer to hire up all the workers.

No society has a full worker coop mandate because the modern arguments for it were published in the 90s. Some countries do mandate some worker board representation and codetermination though
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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

Or we could abolish the employer-employee contract and mandate that all firms be worker coops, so that no one could appropriate the positive and negative fruits of other people's labor

@news

 

A moral argument for why all firms should be employee-owned - "Inalienable Right: Part 1 The Basic Argument"

https://www.ellerman.org/inalienable-rights-part-i-the-basic-argument/

@general

 

Partial Common Ownership: A New Model for Ownership - A new alternative to capitalist private property

https://www.radicalxchange.org/media/blog/pco-a-new-model-of-ownership/

The main disagreement I have with the article is that voting rights over management of firms should lie exclusively with workers. Besides that, the alternative described should be interesting to anti-capitalists.

The revenue from partial common ownership could be allocated using non-market mechanisms in democratic communities

@leftism

 

"Inalienable Rights: Part I The Basic Argument" - All responsibility lies with workers

https://www.ellerman.org/inalienable-rights-part-i-the-basic-argument/

@socialism

 

AI, Guaranteed Income, and the “Which Way Is Up?” Problem Afflicting Our Elites

https://cepr.net/ai-guaranteed-income-and-the-which-way-is-up-problem-afflicting-our-elites/

@politics

 

Rethinking free and open source and its role in the movement against capitalism - "Copyfarleft and Copyjustright"

https://www.metamute.org/editorial/articles/copyfarleft-and-copyjustright

This is an interesting paper and something like this should be explored. Although, I would shift the anti-capitalist analysis to the labor theory of property and shift some of the critique of property to employment contracts.

@socialism

 

Capital Has No Borders—Why Should We?

Precarious immigration status creates an exploitable labor force, allowing bosses to drive down wages for everyone. Inside the labor case for open borders:

https://inthesetimes.com/article/capital-open-borders-immigration-labor-exploitation-migrant-crisis-urban-citizenship

@politics

 

The Problems with Money and Without Money, and Communal Currencies and Vouchers - "Plural Money, Socially-Provided Goods, and the Principal-Agent Problem"

https://www.radicalxchange.org/media/blog/plural-money-socially-provided-goods-and-the-principal-agent-problem/

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Tax the land (mastodon.social)
 

Tax the land

One radical idea to solve America’s housing crisis.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/22951092/land-tax-housing-crisis

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Does classical liberalism imply democracy?

https://www.ellerman.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Reprint-EGP-Classical-Liberalism-Democracy.pdf

"There is a fault line running through classical liberalism as to whether or not democratic self-governance is a necessary part of a liberal social order. The democratic and non-democratic strains of classical liberalism are both present today particularly in the United States. Many contemporary libertarians ... represent the non-democratic strain in their promotion of non-democratic sovereign city-states."

@humanities

 

The Telekommunist Manifesto

https://www.networkcultures.org/_uploads/%233notebook_telekommunist.pdf

"Proposing ‘venture communism’ ... for workers’ self-organization, Kleiner spins Marx and Engels’ ... Manifesto ... into the age of the internet. ... [V]enture communism allocates capital that is ... needed to accomplish what capitalism cannot: the ongoing proliferation of free culture and free networks.

In developing [this] concept ..., Kleiner provides a critique of copyright."

@leftism

 

"Inalienable Rights: Part I The Basic Argument." How the capitalist employer-employee relationship violates fundamental rights

https://www.ellerman.org/inalienable-rights-part-i-the-basic-argument/

Solarpunk should emphasize democracy in the workplace and not take something like the employer-employee contract as part of the furniture of the universe

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