Lemming007

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

Gotcha, thanks! In doing some more research, it looks like you could potential make mirrored vdevs of your smaller disks and then another for your larger drives and add them to the same pool. That may be a workaround to still be able to use ZFS, but I hadn't heard of SnapRAID so I will definitely check that out, thanks!

You make a good point about just sucking it up and getting all new drives at a much larger capacity though. I am definitely starting to think about that option more closely. Its just obviously expensive as hell when you are also getting a new, much better spec'd, NAS box, haha. Serverpartdeals does have pretty good prices though all things considered so maybe I will bite the bullet and just got for it. Not sure what I'll end up doing with 4 other perfectly good drives that total 24 TBs though! haha. Although I sure I will find something to do with them, haha. Thanks again for the input and insight. Very much appreciated.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Yeah it honestly sucks what they are doing, otherwise I wouldn't even be doing this and would be getting a 6 or 8 bay Synology instead. I am just sick of bullshit from these companies and it reeks when you have to buy 'their' drives that are literally stickered over Toshiba's or whatever. Its a bummer, really :/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

Thank you for the comment. I can definitely resonate with running out of space much faster than you anticipate. Part of my plan though is to start integrating much larger drives than the 6 and 8 TB drives I've currently got. All of the potential NAS boxes I am looking at can well over 50 TB total capacity and since it took me ~5 years to fill 10 TB I think leveraging larger drives will probably be fine with a smaller bay device. I do think I am going to do some additional research on potentially going for a rack solution. Seems like a big jump but I do agree with your premise. Doesn't hurt to check so thank you for that.

As for price, yeah it would be cheaper to build my own but I'm honestly just not in the mood for that at this juncture in my home lab development cycle. I imagine the upgrade following the one I am currently mapping out will be DIY, Im just not there yet. As for the ZimaCube, when you compare the other 6 bay machines from the other popular providers the cube is actually cheaper and better spec'd with 2 additional on board NVME slots and PCIe expansion slots. The more I have researched it the last couple days though I can't find confirmation that they have fixed the issue with Ironwolf drives, so I may end up having to choose something else anyway unfortunately.

A few other people have mentioned Unraid as well so I am doing some additional research into the company. With the ever growing trend of enshitification in tech, which is a primary motivator for me doing this move anyway, I don't know Unraid is the solution for me. You are definitely right about them being the ideal solution for mirroring SRH capability as far as drives go, and I have no problem paying for good software, so I may end up going for Unraid after I test out some of the other options. Thanks for the vote of confidence on it. Based on what I've seen from Zima OS so far, all I know is that isn't the OS I will be using, lol.

Thanks again for you input. Greatly appreciated.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Awesome, thanks! I think I am going to get a couple extra disks and use those to test in whichever new NAS I end up getting so I can try out a few different bare metal options before making a firm decision.

I've never even used Proxmox, so it honestly came a lot from the TechHut video I referenced. I liked the interface and it seems like a really solid option for managing multiple VMs/services. This is all a new journey for me though so its entirely possible that I am overlooking something and I'll probably end up modifying plans as I get more experience with various homelabbing tools.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

Thank you for the insight. I do want to at least test TrueNAS out (though I still haven't decided whether to just run with that or run it inside Proxmox). Are you just using the 'community edition?'

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago

Yeah, I had mentally kind of crossed Unraid off the list from the things I'd seen around the various tech communities regarding them. Not to mention my main goal with this move anyway. I don't have a problem paying for good software though, so I'll at least do some more digging on them to make a more informed decision. I just wish there were other options for mix and match drives for people that have slowly been growing into the hobby! haha :( Thank you for commenting.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago

Thanks for commenting. I had forgotten that Unraid does have the option to mix and match drives ala SRH, which is definitely a big selling point for someone in my current position. I did recall seeing some in the industry express some hesitation with the platform as its not open source and has as good a chance to enshitify their product in the future as any of the other tech companies that have already done so. That caused me to kind of check them off the list since that's what I am hoping to be getting away from with this migration. I will do some more digging on the company though. I have no problem paying for good software and maybe that ends up being the best route. Thanks again for the insight!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I will definitely check that out, thanks! Out of curiosity, since I don't have the hardware to play with yet, do you know if you are able to use different sized drives with ZFS pools? I've seen that there have been some updates over the past year that should make expanding a ZFS pool doable now, do you know if that is the case? Thanks again for the insight :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago

Understood. I do think Im going to start out with Proxmox and kind of feel things out from there. I am also definitely planning to finally bite the bullet and dive into Docker as a primary driver. I've heard lots of good things about it and from a technical standpoint it just makes a ton of sense. Thanks again for the input! :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago

Yeah the Synology box is definitely going to be in the backup corner, and only there. Still running DSM 6.2 even, and that is never getting updated ;) Thanks for the input!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago

Very much agreed, that is exactly why I decided to just move on from them now. The writing is on the wall. Sorry for not including that info by the way! We all know what happens when you assume 😅

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Thanks for the reply! I’ll admit, I’m not familiar with HBA cards. So I’ll definitely look into that.

As to the nesting you called out, I could see that being an issue. Would that be the case though if you’re doing basically everything through Proxmox and only using TruNAS for disk management? I’m not sure if you watched his video on the setup, but it at least seemed to be okay. I could be wrong about that though, so I appreciate the input.

 

Long time lurker, first time poster. Thanks for all the valuable info that has been shared here by this community! Incoming wall of text, but after a week of research and running through things in my mind all day I figured I would just ask the questions I have rather than make multiple posts as I imagine there are others looking to accomplish the same/similar thing right now. Thanks in advance!!

As I assume most of you are aware, the recent announcements from Plex and Synology are strong indicators of the writing that has been on the wall for some time. I’ve admittedly put off making any switch because things have been working just fine, but I’ve decided I’d rather just make the move now before even more changes happen, and while things like hard drives/NAS’ are still reasonably priced.

Background - I first got into the idea of self hosting when I picked up my first NAS circa 2020. It’s a Synology DS420j - about as entry level as you can get for a 4 bay NAS. I had big aspirations to really get into self hosting at that time, but for a variety of reasons (including the fact that its hard to flex the muscles of a Realtek RTD1296 SoC with 1 GB of RAM) once I got basic backups running and Plex was all set up, I didn’t do much else with the NAS aside from basic file sharing and messing around with some of the apps in Package Center to continue my learning. Well, there’s no time like the present for change and now is that time for me.

I currently have 2x 6TB + 1x 8 TB HDDs (all Ironwolves) in Synology Hybrid Raid (SRH) - with the 4th bay populated with an SSD that the Plex install lives on. I have an additional 8 TB drive at the ready as a hotswap and/or to add to my SRH pool once I upgraded my NAS. I’ve also finally hit 95% of my ~10.5TB pool (mostly Plex media), so this change comes at a somewhat convenient/necessary time anyway. [I plan to repurpose this NAS to be a backup only storage device so I can keep using Hyper Backup]

Current Plan/Quandaries -

  1. New NAS - I intend to bump up to a 6-bay and while all of the big names have comparable 6 bays options (QNAP, Ausustor, TerraMax, UGreen, etc), but one of the more compelling machines I have found is the ZimaCube Pro. It’s a pretty massive upgrade from what I have, which is exciting, but I’d like to do a little future proofing with this upgrade and I do plan to start leveraging a lot more services including virtualization to take advantage of the power boost. From my research, it seems like there were some bumps initially when the cube was first released (pretty expected from a kickstarter campaign of this magnitude), including an issue with Ironwolf drives, specifically, getting fried. It looks like things are in a much better place now that we are approaching a year since release, but I would be curious if anyone is using the ZimaCube and has any feedback on it, or if there are other solutions I may not be privy to that people recommend. (Of note, I am perfectly aware and capable of building my own, but for this step in my self hosting learning cycle I’d rather just get something premade)

https://shop.zimaspace.com/products/zimacube-pro-personal-cloud?variant=47720546697508

  1. RAID configuration - Obviously, SRH configured drives are not going to be compatible with ZimaOS, or any other non Synology OS (though I don’t plan to use ZimaOS anyway). I had really like the concept of being flexible with drive size as your storage expanded and you were able to accumulate more drives. There are plenty of good reasons for needing to have the same size drives across an array, but it was still a nice feature that I’d like to continue to utilize if possible. Im thinking a RAIDZ1 config would be good to move to (ZFS is intriguing), but from what I can tell you can’t use non matching drive sizes. Am I just going to have to bite the bullet and get all new drives to populate the new NAS, or is there an option out there that I am not aware of? I plan to begin standardizing my drive size at something much larger as the smaller drives begin failing/getting cycled out, but it doesn’t seem like there is a great solution to have that flexibility outside of the Synology ecosystem. (I am going to have to get large drive to move all my files to anyway before reformatting the current SRH drives so this is already going to be pretty pricey of an upgrade move)

  2. Operating System - TechHut actually has a really fun series he has been doing recently that is very much in line with what I am wanting to do - getting a new Server/NAS setup to move away from Synology/Plex - and I’ve been pulling some ideas from my project from that series. He’s running Proxmox as the hypervisor and TruNAS/Jellyfin inside of that. As I have never used any of these types of softwares I was just curious if there are any red flags with this configuration that I should be aware of before devoting the time to learns these systems - as a tech enthusiast I am well aware of the enormous learning spike between Synology/Plex type apps and self hosted ones like Promox/TruNAS, hence wanting to make sure there isn’t something stupid I’m missing prior to investing the time.

TechHut Series: https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?__goaway_challenge=meta-refresh&__goaway_id=b1b338f21a54a885a60db50c1395bbdb&v=qmSizZUbCOA

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmSizZUbCOA - if you are still using Youtube naked for some reason)

Once I get the initial NAS and media server migrations done, I am sure I will have more questions once I start getting things like the Arr suite, Docker, PiHole, KeyPass, etc., set up, but if you’ve made it this far and have any input/insight to provide to my queries I would be greatly appreciative! This community is awesome :)

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