I truly don't mean to be pedantic here, but aren't these nearly word for word the same beliefs Left-leaning people here have about the Right in America?
Maybe if you're being generous and want to write out the other side of these beliefs you could leave out the descriptors "lazy and weak" and replace them with "psychotic and brainwashed", but other than that, is this meme not the same for Left and Right?
What I've stated is not baseless. There are many sources and studies claiming how plants communicate via root systems, pheromones, and other mechanisms (some we're discovering continually). As someone who worked in forestry (and lived on a non-corporate farm that produced mostly alfalfa), it’s somewhat more apparent once you’re there and present in that world.
To quote myself on another thread:
I trust you know how to use search, but some brief citations: https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/botany/plants-feel-pain.htm https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/24473/20191218/a-group-of-scientists-suggest-that-plants-feel-pain.htm
You can find many more if you look. We’ve known for quite a while that trees do this, and fungi are absolutely notorious for this. Speak to a botanist (or read the articles above) and they'll tell you that plants respond to warnings from their peers about dangers, brace for pain, and signal pain to others. To be clear they don't seem to feel pain (but keep in mind that they said this for years about crustaceans as well, but it was simply because we didn't know how they functioned well enough) - not understanding the pain does not mean there is no pain.
Life for some organisms means death for others. Period. You can not avoid it on a micro or macro scale, all you can do is change WHAT you kill.
Plants are cool as hell though I suppose that understanding the above means that it can fuck with the worldview of vegetarians, and nobody likes that. If you disagree, please be respectful and let me know what your reasoning is.
Most likely they'll continue to heavily downvote me when I describe the complex communication systems plants and fungi have.
As a Windows user who manually updates weekly and reads changelogs for what actually changes, neither do I.
But then again I don't leave 400,000 items open on my desktop for no reason whatsoever and get mad when I have to close them.
No matter the outcome of this, nobody is learning that lesson from this demonstration.
If you want to take a (more obvious) environmental bent, this is a terrible idea for them to do because all they're doing is causing vehicles to have to run substantially longer.
I wonder why they would kill old videos instead of just removing those 10-hour plus loops of the same song over and over again that nobody watches. You'd think those giant loop videos would be taking up far more space.
My liver may be flower-scented, but I tend to not paint situations in broad-stoke terms like "woke" that are used to dismiss valid arguments.
You can't disprove a label (especially a vague one that someone else applies to you), however you can very much disprove points.
Every thread against people not strictly aligning with Leftist politics will be boiled down to: “There are three types of people: reasonable people who agree with me, crazy fascists on the other side, and lily-livered wimps who can’t pick a side (and are also secretly fascists who just won't admit it)!”
Anyone with passable writing skills will be downvoted because creating cogent arguments against them is hard, and heaven forbid anyone see a smart argument that doesn't align with your views perfectly.
In a similar vein, people will use the downvote as a "fuck you" button without commenting or adding any value to the conversation whatsoever.
(Edit: Yes, yes. You're all hilarious. I may not have a button to hit, but fuck you too.)
The internet existed for a long time prior to monetization of it. People used to do things because they were good ideas, fun, or helpful.
Revenue streams made things worse.
I'll bite. Most of what I see here in this thread against Centrism or Independents is bad strawman arguments consisting of: “There are three types of people: reasonable people who agree with me, crazy fascists, and lily-livered wimps who can’t pick a side (and are also fascists)!”
If someone says that they are “centrist” they are not telling you that they base all of their opinions on being dead center in the middle of any two positions. That would be stupid.
They are telling you that they agree with neither major party on everything, and find that both parties have views that they don’t agree with. It’s pretty easy to come to that conclusion because the US two-party system packs in an almost incoherent mishmash of beliefs into exactly two sides.
There is absolutely no contradiction in being for police reform, and against riots lasting for days. There is no contradiction in being for gun rights, while also wanting massive limits on them. There is no contradiction in wanting functional government services and universal healthcare, and thinking that free markets are effective to an extent. There is no contradiction in wanting a more balanced budget, and government services to be funded properly.
The idea that there are only two (or maybe 2.5 depending on where you live) sides in politics is a strange delusion created by your two party system.
The reason the meme creator is running into situations like this is because they don’t witness the Centrist also vehemently argue with right-wing policies frequently.
They only see them argue with them and therefore have a skewed view of Centrists / Independents and their politics. If you are left wing, and argue for left-wing policies in every case, that means you will also be argued with by somebody who believes political nuance and not just waving a party flag.
Remember, the right wing also shits on centrists because they think they are secretly left-wing since they argue with their stupider points as well.
So no, these people are not secretly right-wing and just don’t have the balls to say it. That is a horrendous take no matter where you fall on the political spectrum and only serves to limit conversation.
Now you go.
It seems to be Lemmy in general when dealing with Centrism or Independents. Despite very little knowledge, they are very excited to tell you the things that you think.
But they are scientifically accurate beliefs. They are true.
Emotionally, plant communication is awesome. Simultaneously factory farming also sucks.
Getting mad at a poster because you draw an uncharitable conclusion from the beginning of a post chain is extreme.