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I guess the data mining was the missing ingredient for popularity?

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I guess the data mining was the missing ingredient for popularity?

Data mining was the missing ingredient for its sustainability (in the case it is "free" and centralised. The other two options are "paid", and "federated".)

Once the system is sustainable that way, and the owners get greedy, they then add addiction inducing elements to the platform, designed by psychiatrists and psychologists.

That is why it is popular.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Personally I dont see the appeal in the short video format in general and I really don't understand why it has become so popular.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

That’s because you were born before 2005 and still have some semblance of an attention span

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Fucking this. Zoomers were raised with gifs and algorithms sinking any video longer than 5 minutes to the depths of search results. Every media outlet wanted these people to only be able to read the clickbait title, click it, and immediately be distracted by flashy, animated ad. Their brainwashing is insanely successful. To me a tiktok or instagram scrolling looks like a feverish dream of constantly changing colors and shapes, nothing that resembles content that you want to focus on.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Some pre 2005 people are zoomers tho, the oldest zoomers are 24. Gen Alpha might be more fitting.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Yeah I'm pre-2005 and still look back on Vine fondly. The difference I think is that Vine was genuinely kind of innocent. It didn't have a massive corporate backing until the one that killed it, and there wasn't really a way to monetize it back then. It was just a goofy place on the internet with weird, niche content that was also ubiquitous amongst the younger generations. It sadly laid the grounds for TikTok, but it needs to be remembered that Vine was killed because it wasn't monetizable, at least not back then. It's the difference between early internet and corporate internet.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

you can do a lot more in 3 minutes than you can in 6 seconds

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

What are the odds Elon would bring it back if pressed?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They aren't the same app just renamed?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You are thinking of Musical.ly

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ok but aren't Tiktok and Musically literally the same app?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Yup they are same musicaly got rebranded to Tiktok

[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Lol the hilarious part is I remember that, at the time, Vine was supposed to be the horrible cancer website everyone hated. Always with the 'omfg wtf downvoted for posting Vine.'

Then like a year after it was gone all you here about it is how great it had been.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

If it helps, some of us never used it, didn't get it, and don't miss it

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's the "new bad old good" circlejerk internet hipsters love.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The real lesson that’s never learned is you don’t know how good you had it until it’s gone

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I thought the real lesson that's never learned is that everything is just doomed to get worse forever?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

People started to romanticise myspace as soon as it was gone

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

It reboot itself as a music-oriented social network, but it's no where near what it was in its heyday

[–] [email protected] 37 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Vine never allowed more than a 6 second clip. Other platforms immediately included short video formats upon Vines success, but added more flexibility to content creators. When content creators got "Vine famous" they moved to other platforms that allowed for flexibility in content. Vine died when it had no more creators.

It is content and content creators that make a platform successful or not. It's why platforms like Netflix, YouTube, Twitch, etc., pay big creators millions of dollars for exclusive rights to their content. Anyone can make a content sharing platform, but they can't take content.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah I think paying the creators generously and allowing them to make a good living is how tiktok got off the ground so fast.

I really love the vine 6 sec sketch format but I only ever watches compilations on youtube. It's like a box of chocolate, you never know what you'll get, but eat enough of them... :D PS: Man this makes me nostalgic about those ancient times when everything wasn't going to shit yet

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

compilations on youtube

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Except that Vine did allow videos longer than 6 seconds.

I was big into Vine. Like it was the only thing I cared about for a period of time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

That was only months before Twitter announced it would be slowly shutting it down in October. It was a last gasp, too little too late unfortunately. The article you posted even mentioned it was a reaction to creators posting “teasers” that lead watchers to other sites, where the creators were establishing, or had already established, a solid base.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

A ton of this!

I'm a way bigger fan of long-form content. I hardly even get any videos suggested on TT that are less than 3-5 minutes (mostly history and philosophy type stuff). It's pretty awesome how good it is at recommending stuff you'll like!

I could never imagine watch strictly 6 sec videos. It's just not for me

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

They seem to be hoping that now, with AI, they can. :-|

[–] [email protected] 55 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Data mining, timing, and just sheer luck I guess.

See also: Sega Dreamcast: had online multiplayer and industry redefining graphics, but hamstrung by an onboard 33.6kbps modem.

Flappy Bird: one of the most rudimentary games ever, but just seemed to take off and start it's own snowballing success.

Google Glass: probably had the data mining and cash to weather a bad luck storm, but ultimately was a lower spec AR set that are being hawked today.

I suppose musical.ly rode the wave of popularity, hit the right time post-credit crunch, and rebranded itself in such a way that the pandemic was good for business...

...oh, and the liberal use and sharing of data, too.