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[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Likewise the same with .world. Aim for a smaller instances community if you can contribute.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 3 days ago (31 children)

Oh boy, another post of .world furiously masturbating over the evils of .ml

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago (7 children)

I'm just here having newly federated everything and glad to be the fuck away from reddit

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (11 children)

There's nothing wrong with .ml communities stop the stupid infighting, splitting discussion on Lemmy further will do nothing but hurt the fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (6 children)

"Nothing wrong" lol. Many of us have had propagandized disinformation blasted at us for recognizing realities we can see and hear with our own eyes and ears. I've practically been radicalized against visiting tankie spaces and it's because of their lies and responses to myself and others...

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Having a tankie instance as prominent as .ml is already hurting the Fediverse. It's not a few bad Apple communities, it's literally the admins and mods cultivating an instance wide Tankie culture/factory full of China-bootlicking and genocide denials

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

it’s literally the admins and mods cultivating an instance wide Tankie culture/factory full of China-bootlicking and genocide denials

Dramatic 🙄

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Fine, can we concede that while they're allowing other topics to flourish on their instance there are also unwritten rules that lead to confused banned users?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Can you elaborate about unwritten rules? Most of the bans I've seen has been for pretty clear rules violations, there's some stuff which might fly on reddit (like xenophobia, sexism, racism, transphobia), that will catch a ban here. Having rules against bigotry actually getting enforced is probably a confusing occurrence for some redditors. Even people behaving hostile will generally only catch a temp ban to cool down, permanent bans are more for people who are being bigoted.

I have had plenty of issues with at least one of the admins, despite that I have yet to be censored for saying as much. The red-baiting disguised as legitimate concerns rubs me the wrong way though.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The tricky bit is how you guys have redefined what xenophobia/sexism/racism/transphobia means. I don't mind catching a ban, but at least get the reason right.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

You haven't even had any mod action taken against you on lemmy.ml from what I can tell.

Plenty of other instances that you do use have banned you for racism and trolling though.

This one from hexbear was really funny:

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I remember that. Yeah, some hexbear users were saying that all white people should be killed. Apparently saying "no one should be killed for the color of their skin" is racism. Or at least according to their definition of racism.

I am so glad I blocked their instance.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (4 children)

So you admit to paying 0 attention?

YePowerTrippingBastards on my home instance is a good starting place, have fun

Or, you know, play the classic .ml card of pretending you don't know what we're all talking about

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

More often than not someone when complains about getting banned and I bother to follow up in the modlog it turns out that they got like a 3-7 day ban for acting like an complete asshole. Then they proceed to vague post about it months later despite the ban being long over.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Most of the time, yeah. But there have been enough other cases over the past couple years that I wouldn't put too many eggs in that basket (or any for that matter).

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

splitting discussion on Lemmy further will do nothing but hurt the fediverse.

No one's saying defederate.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

I am, but I already am.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (17 children)

There's always someone on .world with an axe to grind lmao

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It's truly the most reddit of instances. And yet, here I am.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Worse yet, they also naively censor the r-word so if an .ml user types r*tardant it comes out as removedant

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Also, it disregards comment language

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago (6 children)

That's shitty. It effectively removes the ability to communicate in anything but English.

E.g. some frequently used words that are non-slurs: fag (nordics, meaning class/course), retard (french train stations will display this when trains are delayed). Living in Norway, I have frequently been frustrated when MMOs wouldn't let me talk to friends in my native language without censoring or even handing out bans.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I don't know about the other Nordic countries, but here in Denmark, "fag" also means profession and is used as a colloquial term for many related groups and concepts.

On a slightly related but hilarious to me note, "bad" being Danish for "bath" and a company refusing to change with the times to accommodate an increasingly international marketplace has resulted in one of the most successful mid tier bathroom design companies in the country still being called "Bad Design" 😄

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Exactly, I've even tested with setting my comment to French, exclusively speaking French within, and it's still filtered.

And that pissed off a couple people who just couldn't believe my motivation was anything other than desire to say slurs.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

... Or slut, which means end.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Also, my American girlfriend insists on pronouncing the Dutch surname of new Liverpool manager like that.

Granted, that IS pretty close to the correct pronunciation of "Slot" in Danish (which means castle or palace and is also the name of a cheap but potable beer), at least 🤷

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I very much like that, by all reliable reports, Scunthorpe is a real cunt of a town 😁

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago

I believe you mean clbuttic

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

lemmy.world user

Lol they banned discussion of jury nullification despite the fact that they have no reason to so their constant complaining about ml is moot

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Hmm, no. I have many posts and comments regarding jury nullification and Luigi in general even in .world communities and not a single has been removed. .world is based on Denmark iirc and per Denmark law, it's illegal to discuss jury nullification in regards to future crime, but not crime already committed

So in Denmark, "Let's do [crime] and then we can get people on our side to do jury nullification" is illegal, but "Person did [crime] but I think their actions were justified, so let's do jury nullification" is not.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

world is based on Denmark iirc

Nope. I'm not sure which but I'm 100% certain that it's based in either Canada or the US

per Denmark law, it's illegal to discuss jury nullification in regards to future crime

No such law here either. Just like in the US, it might lead you to not being selected, but it's not illegal.

Let's do [crime] and then we can get people on our side to do jury nullification" is illegal

True, but it's only the "let's do crime that's (conditionally) illegal. The mention of jury nullification doesn't make it any more or less illegal to probably and knowingly advocate crime.

Anyway, since that kind of thing is EXTREMELY difficult to prove, it's exceedingly rare that anyone gets punished for that particular crlme, making your point a moot one.

In conclusion: I feel completely safe in stating the truth that when the law and the systems it protects is unjust, the just break the law and others should try and help them avoid undue or excessive punishment in Denmark.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Our Governing Laws

The website and the agreement will be governed by and construed per the laws of the following countries and/or states:

The Netherlands
Republic of Finland
Federal Republic of Germany

https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/#our-governing-laws

Ig I was thinking about Finland or something, but it certainly isn't Canada or the US, we all thought it was based in Canada or US lol

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I see the point you are trying to make, but have you considered the criminal US actions in Syria and how the US has evil imperial powers proxy wars and love nazis and make wars happen?

In conclusion: Whatever it is that you said, US bad, therefore you wrong.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

I concede that despite not being alive when it was going on, I am just as guilty as everyone in the CIA that rigged elections and staged coups in South America. Everything I've come to know and understand in this lifetime is tainted by imperialism and is therefore invalid.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 days ago (11 children)

This is the biggest flaw and issue with the fediverse and Lemmy, it's too damn fragmented with no good way to easily consolidate content from similar, or even identical, communities across instances. So people end up gravitating towards the same few that have the most content.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Consolidation is still worse long term. There's not that many competing communities.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

True, but the same issue happens with reddit as well, for example gaming vs games vs truegaming. Over time those communities either found their niche (gaming sub became mostly memes, games sub became news and discussions and truegaming tried to become a more serious discussing sub). Actually there were way more gaming subs but unless they found their niche they died out. So people gravitating towards specific communities is a natural occurrence.

As for trying to automatically consolidate communities across instances, it sounds like a great idea on paper but seems like technical she moderation headache, because you won't have a clear source of truth. Let's say instance A and instance B both have a community called news. The same news article with the same title is posted on both communities on both instances by different users. Assuming we want to consolidate those posts into one, which instance post will be shown or in more technical terms, which instance becomes the source of truth for that post? Who makes that decision? What if there's also instance C with the same community and the same post but that instance isn't federated with instance A, how do we consolidate posts? Each community has its own moderators and moderation rules, who is allowed to moderate the post? What if the moderation rules contradict between instances and both instances want to apply the rules independently, are they supposed to split the post?

Maybe there is an elegant solution to all the problems but I don't see there being one. I'm not against the idea, the problem is you want to solve its something I have given some thought and because of that I just don't see it working out the way you're imagining it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (14 children)

It would be a fundamental change, but communities should be global and not tied to instances. This would allow for the necessary centralization and reduce duplication. It could also be used to ensure communities survive a in instance going down scenario.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

. . . And how would moderation work?

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago (2 children)

While this is true, I think this post is more a reminder that .ml is garbage.

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yes, same for lemmy.world. If you want to post something niche and find a dead Lemmy.world community maybe consider first seeing if there's one elsewhere to revive or even make yourself (assuming you're registered somewhere else of course).

[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Yeah, I have no problem with Lemmy.world (I mean, my main is on here), but spreading comms amongst at least a few instances is better for the overall health of the Fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The more power (engagement) any particular community's moderators get, the heavier-handed they get.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (6 children)

.world is full of powermods lording over their little kingdoms too.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Helpful links:

Lemmyverse is a good place for finding communities your instance might not know about

Lemmy Federate is good for seeding communities to other instances.

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