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Summary

Five years after Brexit, its promises of sovereignty, economic gains, and reduced migration remain unfulfilled. While Brexit offers regulatory flexibility, its overall impacts are largely negative.

The UK economy has suffered a £100bn annual output loss, with GDP 4% smaller than it would have been without Brexit.

Trade barriers have reduced exports, particularly to the EU, with small businesses and sectors like agriculture and fishing hit hardest.

Migration has surged to record levels, but net EU migration has turned negative.

Public dissatisfaction is high, with 59% believing Brexit has gone poorly.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

Brexit was a mistake? Who'd have thought it?

The real irony is that age was a huge factor in voting - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028.amp

So the folks getting a lot of the flak today are more likely to be remainers, I wonder how that's going to pan out in the long run (spoiler, it'll go as well as Brexit).

The ones cleaning up the mess in the UK are not the ones who voted for it - keep that in mind.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

So which politician have enough balls to say out loud UK needs to rejoin the EU?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The problem with the modern media is that they frame everything in the context of money. Thus they ignore that the Britons joined just for the economy. They are a staunchly capitalist country that never managed to fit within the EU spirit. They kept resisting the integration and asking opt-outs for every initiative. During the exit process they acted as spoilt children, they absorbed all the attention and time of the European council and brought all the other activities nearly to a standstill. All of that tedious process ended up with a partial exit, the UK is still standing on the edge with one foot in and another out.

At this point I think that the best thing to do to stop crying over the spilled milk and do not even dare to think to come back, it would be just a pain for everybody.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

If Britons want to join the EU, they can leave the UK.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Nah let us back in but as a standard new member without any of the special shit, please our government needs adult supervision.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

What about abandoning the pound sterling?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

The more old bullshit gets erased in the process the better.

Those old twats and the dumb younger voters fucked everyone over... However maybe if there is a silver lining it's that if/when the UK rejoins (pretty much if it wants a real future) it should be on equal terms and forced to behave as such.

Maybe we could finally elevate our status from the shit stained toffs of Europe.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Not sure why people are so hung up about it, it's been gradually losing ground to the euro and usd anyway.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Nah let us back in

Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The UK would just become another Hungary.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

You underestimate how fucked Hungary is.

The UK would need to dissolve, London would need to be sacked by the Scottish taking the whole British museum, have this event define politics for the next century. 40 years into this, it would need to lose a world war, with the Russian army raping and pillaging through the land. Then live under Russian occupation for another half a century.

England then would be close to Hungary, not quite there though.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The real price the UK will pay for Brexit should not be measured (and will probably not be remembered) in economic terms.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The loss of openness, the limiting of education and work opportunities, the rise of bad nationalism, the fracturing of European unity and community, the isolation of being stuck between the EU and the US, the inability to pop over to France for lunch or Germany for a football game, the loss of stature in an evolving world, the backwards steps to being more insular… I don’t know. All these things and more “may” come to pass.

I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

All nationalism is bad nationalism because it necessitates a narrative of exceptionalism and lessers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

I’d suggest “good” nationalism is having a bit of pride and care for where you live, a knowledge of your history, feeling comfortable in your ethnicity (as opposed to race) and welcoming other folk with similar aspirations and trying to improve life for everyone in your area… but that’s just my opinion.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

But we could offset some of that by selling off all the sweet control we gained.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

China is buying themselves control all over the place. Maybe they're interested.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Brexiteers promised a new age of British sovereignty

And now farage wants to flog the country off to trump and musk

But half a decade on, and by many metrics, Brexit appears to have missed the mark

What mark? There was never a mark just a whole pack of lies.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sovereignty somehow always means a Russian alignment.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Yeah, crazy right? Almost like the Kremlin was behind every shitty thing in the entire fucking world.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 months ago (1 children)

My current and former workplace both took huge hits and ended up cutting staff because it suddenly became super expensive to import raw materials, and more difficult and expensive to export finished goods. But it's ok because some retired boomers get to shout 'taking our country back' then blame foreigners for anything negative that happens

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago

But it's ok because some retired boomers get to shout 'taking our country back' then blame foreigners for anything negative that happens

And then fly back to Spain with the sense of superiority that comes from carrying a blue passport.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 months ago (3 children)

What's wrong with the other 41% that they don't think it's gone poorly?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

First thought

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago

Much of this depends on how you understand the question. Maybe those 41% think “While Brexit was bad, it did go about as well as was to be expected.”

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

"Without Brexit we'd be forced to speak German by now"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago
[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ich kann hier kein Problem erkennen.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago
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