Israel is missing from the picture
this post was submitted on 29 Dec 2023
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Israel didn't start the war.
People like you always seem to wanna start the story at October 7th while ignoring any relevant history before it. In case you don't know, israel and the zionist project took over Palestinian land and as a result almost a million Palestinians fleed palestine. Amongst many others who were killed. What I find interesting is that zionists in their correspondance with the British at the time is that they weren't pressed about getting palestine to be their homeland, they were okay in finding somewhere else. One of the other possibilities was Uganda for example.
Yeah, so mass rape and terrorism is OK in your book if the ends justify the means? Hamas did start the conflict.
Israel was in talks with Saudi Arabia to normalize relations and Iran didn't want that at all and they gave Hamas the green light to attack.
https://www.usip.org/publications/2023/09/saudi-israel-normalization-agreement-horizon
Everything that happens in that region is about Saudi Arabia and Iran.
No one said its okay. You're very good at strawmaning me. If Hamas did commit such acts then of course there should be proper justice. However, proper justice isn't blowing up innocent people and children. Just like you don't blow up a school when there's a school shooter.
Where we disagree is in saying Hamas didn't start this current conflict. They certainly did. Has shit been going on here for millenia? of course. The "strawman" was to remind you of the fact this opened with mass rape and murder at a music festival -- that's a fact.
You seemed to argue that thousand years of history seemingly justifies that and I'm telling you that it does not. " If Hamas did "... So you're absolute when it comes to Israel but when it comes to Hamas there' are modifiers. Your bias is showing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67613153
Israel has done plenty of things that they should not be doing. The warlike bombardment of a city is not justified and has soured world opinion against them.
Bro I'll be real with you north Korea got fucking obliterated to the extent that they were living underground because every single building has been bombed to rubble. North Korea was definitely the victim of imperialist interference. No person in that country deserved that level of devastation.
A total of 635,000 tons of bombs, including 32,557 tons of napalm, were dropped on Korea. By comparison, the U.S. dropped 1.6 million tons in the European theater and 500,000 tons in the Pacific theater during all of World War II (including 160,000 on Japan).
...yea.
If North Korea was anywhere near the size of those other countries, your comment would be a good rebuttal. As far as I’m aware, no other country, save perhaps Palestine, has been bombed as relatively bad as they were.
I think you're misreading their comment? They seem to be pointing out how brutal it was, not downplaying it.
Also consider the fact that north Korea is roughly the size of Maine and Japan is roughly the size of the east coast.
I guess Israel were too busy genociding Palestinians to make it to the meeting.
Maybe Hamas shouldn’t start shit.
By your logic, the Innocents killed on 9/11 brought it on themselves.
The United States created the conditions for the blowback that resulted in the 9/11 attacks
selfawarewolf?
american war on taliban was the well accepted result. israels war on gazians.... same.
Wow that is some amazing mental gymnastics there. I sure do hope you don’t strain yourself with all those logical fallacies you are jumping through.
Sucks to be on the wrong side of history. No one wants to loose their communities, property or livelihoods. However the Jews had a claim to the area going back thousands of years and they needed to go somewhere.
There were many Jewish communities across the Middle East prior to the 1940s that no longer exist anymore either. I wonder who pushed them out… do they get the same sentiment from your bleeding heart?
There have been two state solutions on the table with Jerusalem as the Palestinian capital on the table multiple times. Palestinians turned every one of them down. Instead of building their own state they will be further pushed out of Gaza. Where they go is anyones guess no one wants them, especially other Muslim states.
That's funny that you think you're on the right side of history for supporting a genocidal ethnostate.
What's the ethnic makeup of Israel? What's the ethnic makeup of Palestine? Which one is closer to the definition of an ethno state? Do words not mean anything to you?
You're granted citizenship automatically if you're Jewish and you get a free trip to go there. Being Jewish grants one special privileges. The country is based entirely on ethnicity and was established with that as a core principle. If it's not technically considered an ethnostate, it's about the closest that a country can be one without being one in that case.
I guess we’ll see in 50 years which nation still exists.
Looks at all of Palestine’s immediate neighbors in the Middle East who won’t even lift a finger to even admit refugees.
I think I know where I’ll put my money.
Might makes right, huh? I already know Palestine will be completely ethnically cleansed and then israel will move onto taking parts of Syria and other countries in their goal of lebensraum. That doesn't mean it's morally right.
You either didn’t read my comment from earlier in the thread or you enjoy trying to frame an argument.
I’ll post it below for you to read and educate yourself.
There have been two state solutions on the table with Jerusalem as the Palestinian capital on the table multiple times. Palestinians turned every one of them down. Instead of building their own state they will be further pushed out of Gaza. Where they go is anyones guess no one wants them, especially other Muslim states.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution
TLDR: Palestine will be wiped of the map unless they choose a different path. Israel isn’t going anywhere.
The negotiations were argued in bad faith. Israel would put forth ridiculous demands and then lay the blame on Palestine for rejecting them. Why do you think Palestinians are being pushed out of Gaza and have been continually and constantly pushed out for decades? There was never a sincere effort for a two-state solution.
Nobody wants to take on many refugees all at once, it's very difficult to manage. Why do you think Britain "volunteered" Palestinian land to relocate Jews out of Europe? It wasn't out of the goodness of their heart.
No response to this of course. Don't even expect one. They are currently with their fingers in their ears yelling "LALALLALALALA"
There's literally a response just below yours, but of course taking the time to make sure you're actually right is never a strong point for you people.
I personally find it very funny that the pro-Palestinian go-to is that none of the offers Israel made for a 2 state solution were 'realistic' or 'serious' or 'good faith'. No one doubts that there were offers. Tell me, in what other scenario in all of human history do the losers of a war (that they started) get to dictate the terms of their surrender?
add hamas to this picture
Yes, history started 7th October. Very smart
Ah yes, the good ol "they deserved it"
One of the key differences between Chat GPT and humans is that humans can remember more than 32k tokens in a conversation at a time.
Given that you already forgot what OP wrote by the time you replied to a top level comment, you've performed significantly worse than a bot. Congratulations.
Sorry, I am unable to fulfill your request. Could you reformulate?
No, it started in 1948. And it was started by several Arab nations, who invaded immediately after Britain released their mandate in the region protecting Israelis.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War
Heard of the six day war? How about the Yom kipour war? Who started any of them?
Imagine claiming history has spanned a total of 75 years and that an attempted invasion at the beginning of time justifies a genocide in progress today.
Lemme ask you a question: how did Jerusalem get its name, and who lived there and named it thousands of years ago?
They also tried to straight up genocide Israel two more times afterwards too.