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Churches across the U.S. are grappling with dwindling attendance and financial instability, forcing many to close or sell properties.

The Diocese of Buffalo has shut down 100 parishes since the 2000s and plans to close 70 more. Nationwide, church membership has dropped from 80% in the 1940s to 45% today.

Some churches repurpose their land to survive, like Atlanta’s First United Methodist Church, which is building affordable housing.

Others, like Calcium Church in New York, make cutbacks to stay open. Leaders warn of the long-term risks of declining community and support for churches.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And yet, somehow, they still make all the policy in this country.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

Some churches repurpose their land to survive, like Atlanta’s First United Methodist Church, which is building affordable housing.

That's something more churches should do. They always preach about "helping the poor" but most don't give a fuck.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If every church took in two homeless people, there would be no homeless in America...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They're more than happy to take in everyone's dollars, though. Can't get enough of those.

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[–] [email protected] 121 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (7 children)

Boardroom meme:

Boss: Church attendance is down. What can we do to turn this around?

Person 1: discreetly move pedophile pastors around to hide their proclivities?

Person 2: assure the congregation that we still hate gay people

Person 3: follow the teachings of Christ and show love and charity to our neighbors regardless of who they are

Person 3 is thrown out the stained glass window.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Person 2: Why don't we literally do what Saudi Arabia / Iran does but Christian

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

shocked Pikachu face

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago

“Nobody wants to church anymore!”

[–] [email protected] 64 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

churches are closing

Good

Leaders warn of the risks

The risks of what? The risk of not returning to the dark ages where we damn near all believed the imaginary writings of goat herders and killed for that?

Thanks, no thanks, I love that risk.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

The risk is that all the mindless drones and zealots that they have actively created over hundreds of years are now off somewhere else doing the same shitty things they were doing before but for someone else, potentially someone even worse than the church.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I think the risk more is the bad theology and idol worship that American Christianity is becoming. It’s sorta like how almost all mega churches are “non denominational.” There’s not a commitment to an actual ideology or set of religious beliefs, it’s become a strange cult fixated on Trump. It’s more dangerous in some ways because it’s less predictable. Being a “Christian” has nothing to do with believing that Jesus died on the cross for our sins, it’s more a conservative White identity status.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The cultists drive out the moderates who would keep things on an even keel.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes.

Say, Islam as a religion has the "cut in stone" part, the only way to change that is a new prophet. Literally. And it has the rest, which is up to very wide interpretation. And it doesn't have a central authority (no Caliph today, though a certain ISIS type claimed that role).

So, that didn't make Islam a more tolerant religion. Not even remotely.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Gotta wonder how things would have shaken out if Mohammad had a son survive long enough to take over.

With Islam, you do have multiple thorough legal traditions to choose from for authority. There’s at least some consistency. Iirc, there’s an entire system of grading Hadith based on how many steps removed they are from the prophet - while your average American Christian believes that Mark, Matthew, John and Luke wrote Mark, Matthew, John and Luke.

Evangelicals don’t have that kind of textual tradition, and what they do have is cockeyed squinting at their Bibles while trying to make it work with their pop culture understanding of theology. The focus on having a “personal” relationship with Jesus + sola scriptura when most of these folks have sub fifth grade reading levels means that whatever feels good at the time is what God wants.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I've met a lot of (ex-Soviet, that should be kept in mind) Muslims, most wouldn't be able to tell the difference between this madhhab and that.

And Christian theology, when you don't reduce it to average American Christians, has a lot of tradition.

What I mean ... you typical Salafi is just like that:

when most of these folks have sub fifth grade reading levels means that whatever feels good at the time is what God wants.

Can we just agree that most people with religious identities don't care about actual philosophy?

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