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A new report from Americans for Tax Fairness found that America’s richest families accumulated $8.5 trillion in untaxed capital gains in 2022

America’s wealthiest families held an astounding $8.5 trillion in untaxed profits in 2022. According to a report from the nonprofit Americans for Tax Fairness, which analyzed Federal Reserve data, “one in every six dollars (18 percent of the nation’s unrealized gains is held by these roughly 64,000 ultra-wealthy households, who make up less than 0.05 percent of the population.” The report comes as the Supreme Court gears up to decide a case that could preemptively block any efforts to tax the wealth of billionaires.

The data looks at “quiet” income generated by “centi-millionaires,” Americans holding at least $100 million in wealth, and billionaires through unrealized capital gains. Those gains accumulate, untaxed, as assets and investments like stocks, real estate, bonds, and other investments increase in value. If those assets are not sold — or “realized” — they are not taxed, yet America’s wealthiest families can leverage that on-paper value increase to secure favorable loans with low-interest rates in lieu of using taxable income to finance their lifestyle.

“Of the $139 trillion in America’s national wealth, almost three-quarters (73 percent) is held by the richest 10 percent of households, over one-third (35 percent) by the richest 1 percent, and an astounding 11 percent — $15.2 trillion — is held by the handful of fortunate households that make up the billionaire and centi-millionaire class,” the report says. “The wealthiest 1 percent of households hold 44 percent of national unrealized gains ($21.2 trillion), with billionaires and centi-millionaires alone controlling 18 percent ($8.5 trillion).”

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The solution here isn't to tax unsold goods, it's to tax the banks on all the income they're getting from these loans.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The solution here isn’t to tax unsold goods

Why not? People are taxed for unrealized gains on a house. Why should stocks be any different?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

One argument could be that anything that incentivizes people to sell their stocks isn't a good thing

The more people buying and selling at any given time, the more volatile the price could become, it's so easy to buy and sell stocks that we already have to have high frequency trading disincentives by having a really high capital gains tax on stocks that were held for a short period of time

Property is a lot less volatile, and there's already a rather large natural incentive to hold on to it for long periods of time (moving is a pain), and taxing unrealized gains on it (essentially, paying estimated taxes on a theoretical future sale) is unlikely to really motivate anyone to sell their house

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago

This is just pearl clutching for billionaires and an economy that doesn't work for the majority of U.S. citizens.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The solution is simple. Murder them and all their heirs. Begin a new Bastille Day.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

"But what if I become rich... I should vote against my best interests just in case."

In terms of unrealised gains, that's kind of a tricky one. They certainly do benefit massively from unrealised gains though, like anyone would on paper.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Do these nimcompoops realize that the existing wealthy elite, few in their number, got that way by exploiting social safetynets and taxpayer funded infrastructure for their gains?

So cleary, if we want to be able to generate more wealth and more millionaires/billionaires, better social programs and infrastructure will get them there. Imagine how much easier it’ll be to become wealthy if you don’t have to give employees insurance, or tuition reimbursement? Or if there’s an amazing system of roads, rails, and ports to move your goods to consumers? God, you could become a successful businessman and still have a conscious. Best of both worlds.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

TBF we are talking about unrealized gains. Their investments are worth more on paper, but until they sell them, the actual profit or loss will fluctuate. It would be an accounting nightmare to figure tax on unsold investments every year. I do, however, think capital gains should be taxed at the same rate as wage income.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They should be forced to sell, that is the point. Accounting is complicated because people want to hide wealth. None of this is actually complicated it's just been made complex.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago

It's a good thing ZERO Justices have taken luxurious trips and gifts paid for by these same exact billionaires that could inject literally TRILLIONS into our communities!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

This is how you get nobility. Before Reagan, wealth typically dissipated by the third generation. We are heading toward the old European model, where families are rich for a millennium.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Exactly. They may not call themselves nobility but their influence is the same if not more.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Hopefully we can also head for the other old European model of dealing with them that the French popularized.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Billionaires are the real welfare queens

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

And yet people who want raises are the drag on the fucking economy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

When has the US turned into a regime led by the supreme court? All my life, whenever something was up, you heard what the president did or tried to do or whatever. Nowadays, all headlines about the US are about something the Supreme Court with it's undemocratically elected judges gets to decide over all lawmaker's heads.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The Supreme Court has been powerful for a long time.

Since the early 19th century.

https://www.history.com/news/supreme-court-power-john-marshall

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

roughly 64,000 ultra-wealthy households

Get your forks and knives ready, fam. We'll be eatin' good, soon.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

There are only a bit over 3,000 billionaires. That would hardly fill us up.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago

But afterwards, I've heard...we eat cake.