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alt text: a manipulated image portraying the alleged killer/controversial folk hero re-envisioned as a saintly figure, wearing Christian religious garb with a sun-like halo shining behind his head

Source: someone said this image hit the front page on reddit before being "censored".

Apparent credit: @gedogfx (IG). Title source: "Inkl". πŸ’©posting for meme archival and commentary purposes.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 54 minutes ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

People are unironicaly going to use him in religion in the future.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 30 minutes ago

Why not? Sainthood is an inherently political process. No person becomes a saint without intense lobbying and political pressure. You think Joan of Arc got her sainthood without politics involved?

And while the Catholic Church likes to claim a monopoly on sainthood, it really has no right to that claim. Most early saints were simply individuals that people in a community loved, respected, and later revered. A lot of these early saints were simply canonized officially by the church after they had already been venerated as saints by their communities for generations. There's one saint that is likely just a misremembering of the Buddha. So people could absolutely start venerating him as a saint unofficially whenever they want.

And in the long term, Luigi could even end up an official saint of the Church if the circumstances are right. After conviction and sentencing, he could meet with a priest and confess his crimes in full and formally ask for absolution. And in the doctrine of the Church, that would result in him being fully forgiven for his crime. It's the same way the Church recognizes the sanctity of warrior-saints who spent their whole lives killing. As long as they confessed their sins and asked for forgiveness from God, all is forgiven.

So let's imagine Luigi did that. Suddenly his sins are washed away. Now we just have a man who is effectively a martyr for the thousands of victims of Brian Thompson. If that doesn't a saint make, what does? Sainthood is meant for people who give their lives in the service of others, and that's exactly what Luigi ultimately did. If it weren't for the whole murder part, everyone would consider him a hero. And in the eyes of the church, confession washes away the sin of killing. Now he's an absolved martyr dying for the service others.

Now, for official recognition from the Church, there would need to be some miracles attributed to him after his (likely) execution. But that doesn't seem that hard to get. Tens of thousands of cancer patients praying for the ascended Luigi's intercession? Some of them are going to make a statistically unlikely complete recovery. Won't be hard to get the requisite number of miracles.

I don't imagine the Church would officially recognize Luigi's canonization within our lifetimes. But the Church thinks in centuries. If he decided to make a religious turn and really lean into Catholicism, he absolutely could end up saint, maybe in the 2100s sometime.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago

If he is a catholic then I pray that he becomes a legit saint for what he did.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 hours ago (5 children)

Holy cow, how long will this go on?

For me as a European, it feels like I'm observing some kind of weird tribe that just sacrificed one of their people to the gods and celebrating it for weeks....

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Not quite, in America we always think of the sacrificed as belonging to the other tribe.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

That's a horrible take lmfao you miss the point completely. Get outta here troll

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 hours ago

Unfortunately when you exploit the people of a place for too long they get backed into a corner and lash out.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

That's really fucked up take on this. First, Luigi is innocent until proven guilty. Accordingly, he's very much alive and not "sacrificed". Also, you seem to mistake a wave of support (I am afraid our filter bubble suggests there is more support than there is in the average DS citizen) for celebrations. Also, by trying to ridicule the movement, you do propaganda for the establishment. So please get lost, troll.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

Is that wave of support outside social media?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

he's very much alive and not "sacrificed"

The CEO is the one that got sacrificed to the gods with the hope that the system changes...

I'm totally on your side when it's about fixing your broken and also very expensive healthcare system... But I dunno... Maybe electing a president that supports your interests (instead of one that does the opposite) or going on the streets with Millions of others or a nation wide strike would actually change it...

And what exactly is the movement? Getting rid of more CEOs? I don't see any movement here. Maybe, I'm biased... I'd love to see a movement that actually leads to change, but I don't see it.

Well, I guess, I have to deal with a few more weaks of memes about this...

Best regards The troll

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

"There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and cartridge (or ammo). Please use in that order."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_boxes_of_liberty

They've all but taken the soap box, we have "free speech zones" to "safely" protest out of sight, and when we ignore those the media either doesn't cover it, or gives the most unflattering description, taking the side of corporations (see: Amazon strikes framed in "how will this affect your Christmas delivery. A.k.a: be mad at the employees)

They've taken the ballot box with Citizens United literally paving the way for what Elmo Muskrat is doing now: buying elections. We can't elect the people we'd want to elect.

They've taken the jury through the elimination of the teaching of the concept of jury nullification (but also doesn't apply in this specific situation) and have taken the Judiciary through ratfuckery (see: Mitch McTurtle refusing to seat any SCOTUS judges when it's a Democrat picking them)

So all we're left with is the "cartridge" or, ammo box.

They force this on us but "thankfully" at least some of us won't just let us keep getting steamrolled. :/

As to how this could be a "movement." It isn't. It's one person choosing the ammo box because like the rest of us he felt hopeless and took the only action he felt could achieve anything at all. (It did: see blue cross blue shield reversing their anesthesia charging plan right after the shooting) There was also the "renewal" of the conversation about healthcare which all but vanished. Check the "issues" from exit polling, healthcare barely showed up. Whenever healthcare was discussed previously it was in the framing of "people love their private insurance!" that being told to us by the media. Now the discussion is "maybe there's a larger issue if people from left to right are all supportive of what Luigi did."

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

didn't we try the whole elect a president that would bring the change, like twice now?

In fact, looking towards history, the only time we really had change for the better is when the working poor threatened the super rich

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

didn't we try the whole elect a president that would bring the change, like twice now?

yeah... some of you tried it.

But an actual majority voting for the Orange one instead of progress after progress after progress can also be interpreted like a part of your population wants a much worse healthcare system and/or is very stupid.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago

oh ya, I too forgot that black president existed. who in an act of pure bipartisan appeasement decided to create the Affordable Care Act that we have today instead

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

and/or is very stupid

Yes. We have a rigged system with propaganda and a poor educational system by design. This is very powerful and possibly unstoppable at this point. The main reasons our stupid populous vote against their own interests. They are stupid, but it's not necessarily their fault. Again, propaganda and education.

This is not an easy problem to solve. Mercing CEOs might be the only option... The whole voting and playing by "the rules" isn't working. The rich are getting richer, poor poorer, and corruption is becoming even more acceptable and in our faces.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

If 50% of the population stop working for weeks, this should be a lot more effective than "mercing" anyone.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 hours ago

hate for a system that has abused its victims for decades runs deep.

expect it to continue at least, grow to encompass more saintly visages at most.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Are there any more images? This one looks pretty good, but the title promised me multiple images.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

If you download this image, then that's 2 images.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

The copyright industry believes in this one weird trick

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

~~Akshully that's a caduceus, symbol of commerce. It's often confused with the similar Asclepius' staff, without wings and sometimes with a cup.~~

Edit. Agh, I answered the main post instead of a comment, again.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Unhinged and I am so here for it. Peace be with you.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 hours ago

We are all cringe on this blessed day.

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