If you met online, do a video chat as early as possible before you get all emotionally invested. I've been catfished more times than I can remember.
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It's sad to see people who want a bad boy/girl and just end up in a toxic relationship. It's possible to find someone who is badass AND willing to treat you with respect, but they are not common. It takes way too long for people to realize that the gentler person is going to lead to a better relationship in the long run.
One might argue that the most badass thing someone can do in a relationship is treating your partner with love and respect.
I don't know why you think that religious and non-religious people can't be together. That very attitude tells me that I would never want to go on a date with you. My wife and I have been in such a marriage for 15 years, we have two children, and it works just fine. In my opinion, the problem is the fanatics; they are the cancer of this world, and when I see that someone is a fanatic, it tells me to run away from them.
Fanatics lend legitimacy to fairweather supporters. Someone in your relationship is compromising their integrity. Is it you?
Is it because the religious people tend to force their opinions on other people?
Every relationship is a compromise. Family, friendship, romantic... Otherwise, you're just a psychopath.
The biggest mistake I see is that people don't ever mix with people anymore.
Honestly the biggest single question I would ask if I wanted to bet how likely someone gets a partner would be "how often do you leave your house outside of work and grocery shopping" Do stuff. Dating apps try to bring single folk to you but you'll have far more fun just... doing stuff. Doesn't matter if you go alone or with a group, it's usually more fun than just browsing the internet.
Go to a car show, go to an anime/scifi/star trek/furry convention, go to a craft fair, go to a bar and sit at the counter, find some way to have fun in public. Don't even bother trying to hunt down a partner, just have fun in a public setting. If you find ways to have fun in public, you start going out in public more. You do that, you start meeting potential partners by accident. Not only that:
- You start learning social skills
Being surrounded by strangers means you can do a faux pas and nobody will remember it was you a week from now. They're strangers, they remember the story but not the person. A group of strangers can be oddly freeing, you can say no to them and never see them again. If they judge you you'll probably never see them again.
- You start learning about your area
I learned Minneapolis has a fire breathing co-op so you can learn to juggle flames, a 501st legion of starwars cosplayers that can bring the empire to any event, a working ecto 1 that sometimes prowls the streets and has a youtube series.
- You start becoming more interesting.
Did you click the links? You see what I mean? Now this is an interesting post. You now have things to talk about, about the land around you to whoever you're talking to. It also provides two really great topics to talk about. "what have you found around here?" "what have I found around here?" Is there another event? A club or bar that is just bizarre? A sport or game you've never heard of. Apparently Minnesota's roller derby team is amazing, still haven't found the time to watch a game, but if you can find one, why not try there?
Seriously just... do something. Find an event. If you think it's stupid then try to verify if it's stupid. (never was interested in cars, but it was free. Turns out the car show had the ecto 1, and the adam west batmobile. My hypothesis was proven wrong) Instead of scrolling through lemmy or facebook, wander around an event and watch and listen. If you see a booth, ask about it.
I found that I could keep things interesting to me by basically playing a scavenger hunt with events. Go to an event and find your next event at the event you're at. An event can be anything from a party, a convention, to a place that's just plain interesting. It also really got people interested. Whenever I brought up my quest "find an event at this event", people loved the idea and would often try to help. Heck, sometimes they'd even tag along at the next one.
This is awesome, I think I'd add to this:
Ask questions. Strike up conversations. Listen attentively. Be genuinely curious about people and ask about their lives. Do this to people of all genders, whether you're attracted to them or not.
I think your assessment of the issue is accurate. People don't go out and do things like they did before the pre cellphone and internet age.
But for me...for the life of me if I go out and do stuff on my own, I cannot interact with strangers. It's uncomfortable, unpleasant, and I don't get anything out of it. I don't know how that's supposed to magically swing the other direction.
Hell, even with people I like and know well... interacting with them outside of our "normal" routine is uncomfortable and unpleasant for me. Over the years, I've befriended someone at work and feel comfortable there. But for the life of me, I cannot gain the same level of comfort and satisfaction hanging out outside of work.
I've had a sister in law for years and years now. Despite this, I do not have the inability to interact with her. It is uncomfortable, unlessant, and I do not get anything out of it. It's not her fault...she's a very nice person. But I just absolutely cannot ever gain comfort around people in certain (read: many) types of scenarios. I am comfortable around my parents and that's it. No matter how often I spend with other people.
Exposing myself repeatedly to these scenarios has not ever helped or made any sort of difference.
I go out and do stuff for me. I'm perfectly comfortable with wandering around and looking at things without ever interacting with everyone besides thanking the person behind the register after buying something. I've had social anxiety for so long that it's become a normal thing for me now to not expect any interaction with anyone. And, because of this, no one wants to talk to the quiet person who is scared to look at you in the eye. They might think I'm just being rude or something but in reality I'm avoiding a potential interaction that scares me. So, speaking to what this person said about going out and doing stuff I can relate. Going out in public doesn't necessarily mean you'll interact with people. You can be alone even when surrounded by people.
I can relate to this. Several times I have forced myself to go out and mix with people only to be back again in home and think that I got nothing positive from the experience, sometimes neither a good time during the process. Right now I think that Im transitioning to the acceptance that I just don't like people and I want to be by myself.
Maybe its the demisexuality talking but i feel like its not common enough to like just be friends with people first? Like on dating apps people want to immediately jump into a date or something and i think it'd be a lot healthier to just like get to know eachother as friends first then decide if you want to date in a few months. I dont understand the desire to go on a date with someone you just met i guess.
It might be just me, but all of the best dates and relationships I've had over the years (including my now wife) all started with a spark of attraction upon meeting that we jumped into exploring together and developed a friendship over the course of dating. My wife became one of my best friends long before we got married but that definitely developed over time, while the attraction and romance definitely came on strong right at the get go.
I had a couple times transitioned into dating friends but each time it just didn't fit right (even if the relationship lasted a while) and ended up rather distant from them. Also too, I never had any luck dating online, they all came the old fashioned way.
Not sure whether itβs a mistake or not, but when I see people being so negative on their profile, I skip. Itβs fine to announce your intentions (eg, looking forward a commitment, not looking for a situationship), but if your profile is mainly a list of donβtβs, then that to me screams youβve still got issues to work through.
Another one are the people who either donβt fill out a profile, or say something trite like βif you want to know, askβ. That makes me think youβre lazy, and expect the other person to do all the work. If you canβt be bothered even a little, then I canβt be bothered even a little.
No idea. I always tell them how nice I am, I always hold the door for them, and I even shower before we meet up. I've even going so far as to pick them up at their houses, they never seem to appreciate it. Some have reacted quite unexpectedly, slamming the door and yelling about police. I've learned to never show initiative and learn their address beforehand, as the effort is never reciprocated. Maybe if I was some knuckledragging douchebag, I'd get some of the attention I deserve.
I find if you visit them in their bedroom for a surprise you can get to know how they react under stressful situations.
Honestly to me that's really important. I need someone who is cool and calm under pressure
Ok, Tyler
Can you imagine hitching your wagon to someone only to find out years later that they can't stay focused while under the effects of teargas?
That's..... That's a joke right?
It says a lot about the strange people you meet online that, had I never responded, no one but me would truly know if this offhand comment actually came from a deranged stalker or just some drunk and bored idiot looking to do some light trolling.
It's masterful
Why thank you, it took many edits to get it to the point where it was creepy but believable.
I'm gonna say probably a joke, but we all know where exactly to find a dead serious version
They focus on finding other people who fit them and not adjusting to fit other people.
aside from commonly used abbreviations that are easy to understand.
Any abbreviations being sent are probably are easy to understand for the sender? Sounds like a generational difference more than anything.
Agreed. Seems like an effective filter
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Assuming that a profile is enough to understand someone. Sure, donβt waste time/drag out meeting someone butβ¦ actually talk (video chat) and ask questions before you move things along.
Ask questions important to you and what you are looking for.
Video chat? Wtf. Have people ever heard of coffee? Very public, fairly short, no commitment. You can even say the no commitment part up front. Just meet, don't expect anything, and see how it goes.
I have a stupid question.
How do people "see how it goes" and ever have a positive experience? For me, even if the person is friendly and funny, I am so uncomfortable that I never want to do it again. Literally no one has ever felt any different for me. Even if I gain some level of pleasantness and satisfaction from the interaction, it is incredibly mild and doesn't ever make up for anything or make me wish to continue. I have tried seeing people repeatedly to no avail. The cost-benefit analysis never nets me out on top. I have always been a perpetual loner due in part to this. Does this mean I'm a psychopath or something? Because I cannot connect with and gain satisfaction from humans the way they seem to be able to with each other?
There are physiological causes of anxiety.
That's just being anti-social, usually from anxiety. If it's something you'd like to change, it's probably worth seeing a professional therapist.
I have seen quite a few of those because people say you're supposed to keep looking if they aren't helping you. I've spoken to maybe 5 different ones at this point. They never have much of substance to say but are very quick to deduct large amounts of money from my bank account. I don't entirely understand what I am supposed to do to get something out of that. Not sure how many more I'm supposed to see or how much more thousands of dollars I'm supposed to spend before someone actually has any ideas of what to do beyond chatting with me and giving basic cookie cutter advice/platitudes.
I've honestly had similar enough chats with ChatGPT for free.
Have you tried a psychologist? They have a lot more experience than a counselor and might have a better chance, but it'll cost more too. Also they can diagnose things which might make getting the right help easier if it's something more than just social anxiety that's getting missed.
Psychologists are better than counselors, but bear in mind there is a ton of variety in the quality of psychologists too.
Also as someone with 3 psychologists in my family, I personally have them stereotyped as greedy, narcissistic opportunists. But again I'm probably biased...
Trying to be too serious too quick. You've gotta let the dopamine rush of the possibilities wear off before truly knowing if the person is a good fit.
For most people, yes. But me and my girlfriend talked kids, marriage and so on on our first date irl.
This is a big one that I honestly still struggle with sometimes. I was on the opposite end of it for the first time earlier this year though.
I think I'm on the opposite end now, myself. My walls have gotten too high. Any tips?
I remember being on the receiving end of that, and this can actually be a good limit is test on compatibility regarding communication and boundaries. First step is to communicate that you feel it moving too fast. If the person is receptive and able to recalibrate without too much drama (it's understandable to get a little taken aback), that's a great sign. If their emotions go a little haywire, it might show signs of potential issues that may need to get worked out or that y'all aren't on the same page emotionally.