Will Manidis is the CEO of AI-driven healthcare startup ScienceIO
To be fair it was bots that voted them to the front page.
this post was submitted on 18 Dec 2024
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Anyone who did any kind of modding on Reddit could see the majority of posts and comments where mostly bots.
Bots competitions for upvotes/views and clicks.
Reddit's been like that since ~2018
Does Lemmy have any features that resist this kind of astroturfing?
No one would consider bots talking to one another a real conversation, but is there anything regular users can do?
This is the whole reason that I discovered and came to Lemmy. Reddit is literally 90% bots, from the posts, to the filtering, to the censoring, to outright banning. It's a mess.
Or getting this shit after you comment somewhere:
"Excuse me but could you please send a direct message to our admins to verify your account before placing a comment? Everyone has to do it."
I replied "go fuck yourself" and they banned me instantly and I never even submitted anything lmao.
subreddit? because that one would need a lemmy replacement
/r/Blackpeopletwitter, I believe.
Tbh, I see how this can be really good for people. We can never again believe that what apples are saying online is really representative of the general population. It never has been, but now we have a really solid reason to dispel the belief that doesn't require much explanation.
That said, we'll need to combat this with more right knit communities where people can better identify themselves as human. Captcha doesn't do that, but the Goth girls on VF so long ago had it figured out. We gotta do proper "salutes".
But I mean, AI is the asshole, so maybe that's why they went to the front page?
Lemmy is not safe either.
there isnt so much incentive. No advertisement. Upvote counters behave weirdly in the fediverse (from what i can see).
No advertisement
You don't think that commercial products can't get good (or bad) coverage in a place like this? In any discussion of hardware, software (including, for example, video games), cars, books, movies, television, etc., there's plenty of profit motive behind getting people interested in things.
There are already popular and unpopular things here. Some of those things are pretty far removed from a direct profit motive (Linux, Star Trek memes, beans). But some are directly related to commercial products being sold now (current video games and the hardware to run them, specific types of devices from routers to CPUs to televisions to bicycles or even cars and trucks, movies, books, etc.).
Not to mention the political motivations to influence on politics, economics, foreign affairs, etc. There's lots of money behind trying to convince people of things.
As soon as a thread pops up in a search engine it's fair game for the bots to find it, and for that platform to be targeted by humans who unleash bots onto that platform. Lemmy/Mastodon aren't too obscure to notice.
There are no virtual points to earn on Lemmy. So hopefully it will resist the enshitification for while.
I still dont see why people care about reddit karma. Its just a number?
Account age and karma makes an account look more legit and it's thus more useful for spreading misinformation and/or guerilla marketing.
Same reason why people play cookie clicker, watch the useless number go up.
Also, some subs are downright hostile to people with low karma.
Gotta love those dopamine fixes, huh?
I actually got auto-added to some bullshit sub that was "for people with so much karma." I don't remember what the number was, because it was such a useless sub that no one engaged with.
Some subreddits require a minimum karma score for posting. And it gets less likely to get shadow banned the more karma you have.
Ohhh right. I remember subs had that bullshit. I didnt know about the shadowban thing though.
In the age of A/B testing and automated engagement, I have to wonder who is really getting played? The people reading the synthetically generated bullshit or the people who think they're "getting engagement" on a website full of bots and other automated forms of engagement cultivation.
How much of the content creator experience is itself gamed by the website to trick creators into thinking they're more talented, popular, and well-received than a human audience would allow and should therefore keep churning out new shit for consumption?
It's ultimately about ad money. They haven't cared it's humans or bots either. They keep paying out either way. This predates long before the LLM era. It's bizarre.
It's pretty much a case of the POSIWID. The system is meant to be genuine human engagement. What the system does is artificial at every step. Turns out its purpose is to fabricate things for bots to engage with. And this is all propped up by people who for some reason pay to keep the system running.
This reminds me of the ad supported games that advertise other ad supported games. I think I've even seen an ad supported game run an ad for itself.
I wonder if at some point people will walk away from these platforms and the platform and its owners won't even be able to tell.
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