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submitted 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/new-illinois-bill-aims-to-increase-age-seniors-retake-driving-exam/3646023/?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_CHBrand

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

Should be every 2 years past age 60 if you want to keep your license.

Sorry, for every 20 year old doing 90, there's ten seniors wobbling between 2 lanes in a giant SUV intentionally purchased to protect them from the accidents their diminished capacity will cause, about to do a double lane change in the opposite direction of their blinker that's been on since they left their driveway.

Ive always found it bonkers that young drivers with the sharpest reflexes are punished to the maximum from insurance to rental car rates, as they should, while no one dares punitive action against people who literally lack the faculties to drive safely if they wanted to and incur the wrath of AARP and the like. But those necrotic seniors make the rules, sadly. They can cause accidents with abandon, but some thing's gotta be done about those young maniacs on the road driving 10 over the speed Limit as you drive 30 under it with white, arthritic knuckles on the steering wheel for dear life, calling your impromptu roadblock "safe."

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago (3 children)

This is your regular reminder that it's generally not older people who are high-risk drivers: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/628ce5c7e90e071f68b19dfa/02-image-2.svg

Drivers get safer until about 70, and only get less safe than your average young driver when over 86.

There is a perception that older drivers are an absolute liability on the roads, which I can only assume stems from impatient people who get frustrated when stuck behind an older driver going more slowly than they'd like.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (5 children)

That's from the UK? I don't think you can extrapolate UK driving data to the US. Roads and car use don't compare at all.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Not every 70 YO is the same health. Some can barely see at that age, or at night. There are also plenty of health issues or medications taken at this age which could affect reactions or alertness. Not saying it can't happen to the young, but it's far more prevalent.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

I wonder if raising the licencing age to 25 would reduce the curve or just shift it to the right

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

No one over the age of 70 should drive. It's simply not safe. Like putting a 7 year old in front of the wheel.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Hard disagree. People age very differently, depending on how well they take care of themselves. I know plenty of people I their 70s who are still fully capable of driving.

Implementint a driving test at 70 does make sense.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The only reason this would need to be a bill is if people are upset that they are failing the exam. Which means they qre failing the exams, to the surprise of no one.

What we should be doing instead is making our neighborhoods more accessible to those without cars. I'm sure they feel like their mobility is gone if they lose their license, but that shouldn't be the case to begin with.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Really, you can't think of any reason to be upset that you're required to take an exam that you then pass?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

I mean the general logic of it isn't totally off the wall, any more so than say why we're annoyed that ID laws make it harder to vote.

But I could still 100% say, obviously if you need/want a drivers license, it's fair to say you have reliable transportation. At 79 you are almost certainly either not working, or so well established wherever you are that you aren't at risk of getting fired for needing to schedule a 3 hour trip to the DMV.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

I expected the main writers of the bill to be about 78, but they look younger. (I'm not digging into it more)

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I would say 79 is way too high, seniors should be tested every 5 years after 65. Another commentor points out we should be doing every 10 years which is a decent idea as well.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

Yeah every 10 years would be good even if you assume they did learn everything correctly the first time and don't forget anything, just to make sure people are keeping up with changes in the law. I regularly still see people loudly sharing interpretations of the law on social media that haven't been true for a decade. And then speed it up to every 5 years after 65 to additionally account for senescence.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

frankly there should at least be an online refresher and test that people have to take every year, traffic laws change and people forget things.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (2 children)

But changing traffic laws isn't what makes people bad drivers.

Everyone should have to take the written AND driving portion of the test every 10 years or so.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 days ago (1 children)

in case anyone's wondering, according to data from the National Center for Health Statistics, in 2021, the life expectancy in Illinois was 77.1

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago

Life expectancy is a useless metric for this purpose. Maybe it would be more useful if you used "life expectancy at age 10" (so after any childhood illnesses), but even then it doesn't really say anything about what the process senescence looks like.

[–] [email protected] 154 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (9 children)

personally i think everyone should be required to retake a driving test every 10 years it's absurd you only take it once at 16ish

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

As someone who learned to drive in 2 weeks and then passed the test 20+ years ago it’s kind of bonkers that I can get into a car and start driving rn. I haven’t driven since passing the test. I have no idea what many of the signs mean.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 5 days ago (1 children)

And not just as a refresher/competency test! It should also be a chance to educate on updates like legislation that get passed, safety information and tips as research improves, and new traffic controls like double diamonds or roundabouts that weren’t in use when people learned to drive in their youth.

But at a minimum you should have to re-validate that you are a competent and safe driver every decade or so, agreed.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I don't know what makes roundabouts so hard that 90% of people stop in my town when nothing is in it instead of yield like the sign they had seen in their drivers test.

I like your ideas.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (2 children)

What’s the frequency for forklift/crane certificates or similar? Driving a car should be regulated similarly (with the proviso that it is accepted that many blameless people will be found unfit to drive, and society should accommodate them by means other than lowering safety standards).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

Forklift certs last for 3 years, but the test isn't much. You take a quiz (can be all done online), and then someone at your workplace who is a certified instructor gives you some pointers.

I wouldn't base car licensing around that. It's almost nothing.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

My work just had the warehouse driver show me the controls and move a couple of pallets. Now i'm forklift certified.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Still more than some of the covid era driver exams had... (Cousin in a small town spent less than 15 mins with the proctor)

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

You guys are retaking driver's tests?

Seriously, I haven't taken one since getting my license in the 90s.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 5 days ago (1 children)

that's what i mean. i think they should be required to retake it. it's wild that you only do it once as a teenager.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Agreed!

We also don't have emissions tests. Pretty sure both are the result of being a mostly agricultural state as in the past both requirements would disproportionately impact farmer's time and ability to work if they failed either one. We really should start requiring both.

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