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It annoys me even though I'm still in the U.S.
Edit: For everyone saying CVs and resumes are different, that might be literally the case, but that is not how job applications are using them. I just went to this one:
It doesn't "annoy" me.
I like employers to be open and honest about their various incompetencies. Saves time.
There's a few other warning signs in that statement too - nice of them sift themselves out so quickly.
This.
When you are writing the date, the only correct way is ISO8601 (YYYY-MM-DD). If you’re speaking to someone (verbal communication) then do whatever you want.
It's the same shit as the kids saying "candy" instead of sweets in the UK, and getting british accents from Peppa Pig in the US.
The date stuff is super stupid though :
Fuck the US date scheme
You don't need fucking day numbers for anything on your CV, except your DOB.
7th Jan 2007 . You're welcome, now it doesn't really matter which order you put the DD/MM
7th Jan 2007 . You're welcome, now it doesn't really matter which order you put the DD/MM
But do you write September as Sep, or Sept? I’ve heard that this is also a British/USA thing
MM/DD/YYYY would annoy me wherever it’s from, because it’s wilfully perverse.
Without going into the rabbit hole of explaining:
Curriculum Vitae: all your education, training, experience, skills. Can be multiple pages. Resume: the highlights + relevant for the application. Preferred on one page. Resume goes on top of the CV.
I am from Europe. About the dates, for me it depends.
In personal things, I generally use the American date format because I got used to it. And when going through a list of things month first is often nicer to look at.
When giving something to someone else, I use date compatible with RFC3339 and ISO8601 standards (YYYY-MM-DD).
Quick comparison between the two: https://ijmacd.github.io/rfc3339-iso8601/
But people have questioned me about both, since DD. MM. [YY]YY is basically the only format used in my country, but I don't like it.
The only correct format is from greatest to smallest: yyyy-mm-dd
This is, in my mind, verifiable by noting the way that lists are ordered when using this format. They are sequential. This isn’t true for either of the other formats.
Yes.
If I saw that in a job advert I might just apply without reading the rest. I don't think I ever have though.
As a programmer I agree. I have fucked around with trying to parse unrestricted user inputs of dates and I have found out.
Year first is the only way I can actually know which value is day vs. month.
Yep, most to least significant is great because you can sort dates temporally with a numeric/string sort.
It's great for lists but I don't know a single person who's gonna say "hey let's meet up on 2024 December 11th."
You must not know many programmers that have had to deal with American date formatting then.
I used to be a programmer myself (originally studied it for game design but now I'm a 3d animator) and it's why there's a specific default data structure built in to most programming languages to handle dates and internationalization of those dates.
Please someone tell oracle and microsoft.
https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/java/util/Date.html
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.datetime?view=net-9.0
Looks like someone already did. Been around since at least JDK 1.1
Dates written in a numbers only format are not about matching the spoken language. You also would not say, "let's meet on twelve eleven twenty twentyfour."
It’s the format used in large parts of Asia.
In German and Swedish, "the twelft eleventh" would be totally fine. Beside this would be November 12th. The German way for the year would be twothousandtwentyfour while the Swedish would be twentyhundred twentyfour.
The date thing is infuriating because the American date format just shouldn't exist
Its the ISO format everyone loves but from the time before digital computers needed to sort our dates, so we put the year at the end as it's generally the least important if something isn't digital
I get not liking something cuz it's different, but it amazes me how many people pretend it's bad
It just depends on how you say it out loud.
Here in the us, we would say today is December 11th, so we write it the same way, 12/11.
Other parts of the world would say today is the 11th of December, so they write it that way, 11/12.
ISO is best. There's no debate there. From a data science perspective, YYYY/MM/DD is the only reasonable choice.
But most of the time you're using dates, you're only concerned with the month and day. That's the very reason we don't use ISO in our daily lives. If you started every mention of a date with the year, people would think you're a crazy person, or a time traveler, or perhaps a recently-awakened coma patient. There's just no need to begin with the year. Next Wednesday, 2024 December 18.
If you exclude the year, then the choice is month/day or day/month. Between the two, month/day is far more useful for the same reasons ISO is best. If I need both the month and the day, then I want the month first. The only time I would want the day first is if the month doesn't matter, and I can omit the month in that case. Giving me the day first and then the month forces me to wait for the month and then remember the day. It's inefficient transfer of information. If you exclude the year, MM/DD is objectively, if only marginally, better than DD/MM.
But then why would anyone use MM/DD/(YY)YY? Because we're already using MM/DD.
I’ll see you on the 1st of the 1st.
I see nothing wrong with that. The day number moves most frequently, so that should go first. The month moves second most frequently, so that should go second. Putting the month first makes it odd.
Do you also say “six, fifty and two hundred” instead of “two hundred and fifty six”?
Why would the number that moves most go first? Numbers don't work that way normally.
Ahem - there is a debate... it's over / vs. -. As is proper - all true debates should be over minor formatting decisions (soft tabs over my fucking dead body).
/ can't be used in a filename on most common filesystems so that doesn't enter the conversation the real question is if you include - as a delimiter at all.
20241212 or 2024-12-12? They are fixed width fields so I skip the delimiter when I'm storing data* but tend to use the delimiter when writing for a general audience.
* Y10k problem right here!
The dates are written to match how it's said. In the US we say our dates as month day year, and before you say "But the 4th of July" my counterpoint is that the 4th of July takes place on July 4th. And Cinco de Mayo takes place on May 5th. And May the Fourth Be With You takes place on May 4th.
They're similar, but used for different purposes. According to UC Davis (University of California), these are the differences
"CV" is definitely not only used for academic positions in the UK. They almost always say CV instead of resume. That's much less common than the date format.
I'm not from either place.
I was under the impression that a CV and a resume are different things. A CV is a general compilation of all things you've done, and a resume is a curated list used for applying to jobs.
I do know that they're used interchangeably for the most part, but this is how I was explained the difference in practice.
They seem to be used interchangeably in the UK at the jobs I'm applying for, but what I have is definitely CV and not resume.
No, they are the same thing.
They are not
Oh. Okay. So just different words? Like sidewalk & footpath?
Some people say that a resume is a shorter CV. But even a CV should only include the things relevant to the task you're using for.