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Let's face it, the dems don't care about the commoners, the republicans are actually pure evil, everyone was happy when that shitstain CEO got shot.

Maybe we should build on this momentum we have to drive actual change at the political level.

my first act as president in 2029 would be to issue a full and unconditional pardon of the billionaire killer.

edit:

well alrighty then, followup question, does anyone want to join my newly formed political party? I'm going to start working on drafting our mission statement, or manifesto or whatever it should be called.

Further Edit: I set up a lemmy community for us to post shit about it. If you want to join, that's our official, unofficial space. https://lemmy.world/c/newpoliticalparty

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

We should not. This idea of starting a new party to do something has been exhaustively understood for a long time. All it is capable of doing is hurting the major party your new party is closest to. Best explained here.

It is exciting to create something new you have total control over, and that excitement can help you get off the ground and feel like you’re going somewhere, but this is an illusion, an eventually that momentum slams into a wall as you realize you’ve only shifted de facto political reality in the United States in the opposite direction you wanted to (again: because all third parties can do is steal votes from their most closely aligned major party).

Bernie Sanders has had this figured out for a long time. He shits on the rich morning and night. He’s also a grownup and knows that his only viable course is to try to shift one of the major parties themselves. He thinks he has better odds with the Democrats, and he’s probably right, though maybe “less bad odds” is a better characterization.

Entering into a major party is not fun and exciting and you don’t have a lot of control and quick momentum. But it is the only way. Small progress, long game. A flash in the pan 3rd party will only burn you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Since criminals can be president now, I think Joe Exotic should be president. Make America exotic again!

People don't want to empower the workers and take away money and power from billionaires. Bernie Sanders already tried this but it's not how America works and what Americans want.

With the current system, every new party will take away votes from the party it's closest to. This ensures more voting percentage for the opponents. So when you create a socialist party, most of the votes you will get will be from democrats who won't vote for the democratic party, so it's easier for the Republicans to win. You just helped the opposite side.

Maybe when you create a party close to the Republicans you can steal their voters so the democrats have a higher chance of winning. Maybe do the same within the democrats to scatter their votes in a way so Bernie will get the majority.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Don't Start With President! Running for president as a party that doesn't have any senators or governors is a massive waste of money on an ego trip that normally hurts the side that people voting for them support.

Start with safe democratic states, like New York and California. Run for safe democratic mayor-ships and house seats. Once you get a couple of wins, momentum, and a bench of candidates: then try for governor or senator. Once you get more than 3 of them THEN you choose the most popular among the group and run them for president.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

You're right, I'm not actually serious about running for president or fielding a candidate for president, but we should run in all the deep blue and the deep red states.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Yes because the Dems are basically suckups to the rich, just less fascist.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Could look into the working families party. I like their policies, and they're building power from the ground up in local elections rather than trying to run a presidential candidate.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But without rich people, who's going to fund it?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

With enough momentum, we can start a grassroots movement.

They just arrested the only one of us with enough guts to do anything tangible about the fucked up system. If we stop now, he'll go down, shit will stay the same. We need to be outraged. We need to be out there, shitting on billionaire CEOs of insurance companies. We need to make sure that nobody forgets who holds the actual power. It's not them, the wealthy few, it's us, the masses.

Our grandparents parents pulled off more difficult shit with less than what we had, we cannot let these fuckers take back what was fought so hard for.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Well, good on you man. I'm skeptical this event can be pivoted into actual positive change for the average American, but if you have enough resolve to make a go of it, you're a better man than I.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We need a new system. Not a new party to add to the shitty system.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No shit, but how are we going to do that? What would we need to do to effect that change?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Unfortunately, the only real path out of this at this point is violent revolution. We tried everything else. For decades. Pleaded with them to listen. They arrested and murdered us. Brainwashed the average person using sophisticated psychological conditioning. Captured every branch of government and agency.

Tell me another way. I am begging you. But I've been looking for years and I have hit a wall. We are out of time.

They chose this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Come and join us, friend. I'm calling it the shit-back movement.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It'll take some work and we'll have to outline so very extremely many stances.

Is .world really the place though?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Probably not, I had one of my shit posts removed the other day.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I gotta get off .world myself.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yes, with a caveat.

Create a single-issue party for something like free healthcare, with your sole goal to be to drain votes from Democrats. Gain enough traction, and that party will welcome you into the fold with open arms, and will actually fucking listen to your issue as their primary platform.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

draining republican votes is the solution.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

This is essentially what happened with ukip and Brexit in the UK. It took a while for the movement to gain traction but it did eventually start to put pressure on the government at the time.

The only issue is if that you'll no doubt need rich backers to gain influence... But that might be a bit of an issue if your entire platform is to shit on the same people who you need.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Will they though? Biden was pitching a public option to compete with the other MFA candidates in 2020. He hasn't uttered a single word about it since he was nominated.

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