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[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

The baguette, croissant, and beret are killing me.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Non-neutral nouns have always struck me as odd. They provide no info gain whatsoever outside of actually providing a gender if you're referring to a person or animal (for example, in Spanish, gato -> male cat, gata -> female cat). And in those situations, a short sentence can provide instant clarification if needed in a non-gendered language like English.

It's a language feature built to be helpful in one use case, whilst simultaneously being worse in about a bazillion others. It's a very odd choice.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

There's an argument to be made that it might help clarifying when speaking to someone. Consider these two German sentences:

"Der rote Apfel" – the red apple

"Die rote Ampel" – the red traffic light

Imagine a noisy environment, a quiet speaker or some other problem and you only understand

"Die rote A***el" – the red x***xx

In a language like English, you don't have enough information to understand the meaning. The German gender system helps to direct your possible matching words (Ampel or Apfel) to the correct one, as "Die rote Apfel" is grammatically incorrect.

Another point I want to make is that it isn't "being worse in about a bazillion other" use cases. Native speakers don't really have an issue with noun class systems. It's just very unintuitive and tedious for non-native language learners to memorize all the genders of nouns.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Wait until you hear that sometimes we can use both pronoums with some words but not others.

We can say "el mar" the(male) sea, or "la mar" the(female) sea. But you would never say "la oceano" it's only "el oceano" the(male) ocean.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

English is incredibly easy. My mother tongue is Russian and I'm learning German, both have genders... which are quite often different. That makes things even harder :D

[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Polish speaker here. We not only have gendered nouns but also verbs and adjectives.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

How does that work out? I mean in french you'd gender it by what it is defining. A yellow car, the "A" is gendered the same as the cars gender.

Oh.

I think I get it. That must be confusing for foreigners!

Cheers Polish brothers and sisters!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Nah. Having pronouns would be too easy. We are changing the end of the word. Yellow would be "żółty" if male, "żółta" if female and "żółte" if genderless or plural. Unless male plural, then it would be "żółci".

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Spanish speaker here. For as chaotic and wild as English is, I've always appreciated that it has no gendered nouns. Why are chairs female? Makes no sense

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Dick in French is, you guessed it, female.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

As are mustache and balls. Meanwhile, bra, vagina and boobs are male.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

Don't tell Republicans

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Chairman, chairwoman, or chairperson?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Clearly, because chairs are obviously male (German). Anything else is just silly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes, also, mice are obviously female.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

I'm sorry, French here, but a chair can be both. It depends of the type : Une chaise is obviously feminine while un siège or un fauteuil are definitely masculin. Also Germanic language like English and German mixing these two meaning are silly languages.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Maybe you are interested in Finnish. We do not have gendered pronouns either. Everyone is just "hän".

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So you're saying Hän is Solo?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Hän man is Speedy

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hold my Duolingo owl, I'm gonna look up Finnish that sounds awesome

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Can I keep it after that? I always wanted a pet.

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