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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

I mean it’s right there in the quote. They want to feel like a man. They don’t actually want to be one.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A patient I dealt with had schizophrenia and dementia, "but I'm a man, not a little girl with panties" was his counterargument to everything.

You can only have one cigarette at a time because otherwise you lose them all and run out. "But I'm a man."

You know the doctor says your food needs to be cut up. "Do I look like a little girl to you?"

That's the communal cheese bowl, this is your plate. You can't eat from the communal cheese bowl with a fork. "Do you see me wearing panties?"

Whenever I hear people making these kind of gender essentialist arguments, they just sound pitiably out of touch with reality to me.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Have you asked him how often he thinks about wearing women's underwear?

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[–] [email protected] 146 points 2 days ago (8 children)

How to really feel like a man

  1. Ignore gender wars bait, there are way more important things out there.
  2. See step 1
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (9 children)

What's wrong with wanting to feel like a man? There's nothing inherently negative about that. I like providing for my wife and I want nothing in return. I like doing typical man stuff with my friends. Why does that make you feel like I'm trying to be superior to anyone? I am comfortable in my masculinity and so should anyone who wants to be, stop treating that as toxic.

edit: Express your opinion by downvoting me if you must, but do me the courtesy of answering the question.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You doing things for you is fine.

It's when other people need to change their behaviors that it becomes a problem.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Sure I agree with that, but how is that implied by 'a man likes to feel like a man'?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The post shows a woman talking about how she was told her strong personality could make men insecure.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

~~I need to feel like a man.~~ I need someone to hold me tight for a moment.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago

I need to feel ~~like~~ a man

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Normalize feeling like a man as somebody who is given space to feel anything beyond anger or shame. A man needs to feel like he can talk about things on his mind at any given time, to anybody he trusts. A man is somebody who can cry when he is hurting, and it be okay; that he won’t be labeled as weak or a coward.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

I hate dealing with some types of men, it's exhausting.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

If Men want to feel like Men then they have ways to deal with their insecurity:

Redo their own plumbing, twice. Once to change things and again to fix the problem they caused.

Chop firewood.

Build a furnace that you're only going to use like 4 times, ever.

50 pushups. If not reaching it makes you sad, start skipping numbers.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Redo their own plumbing, twice. Once to change things and again to fix the problem they caused.

I'm in this comment and I don't like it.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago (5 children)

With the plumbing example, the first time was a training exercise and doesn't count.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Funny thing: only ever heard women say this

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Some women are the most toxic perpetuators a patriarchy in a backwards way

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

because its not only men perpetuating this shit, some just put up with it and guide younger women on how to gently move things along and the flimsy little dude forgets and gets mad about the next dumb thing. Literally my parents...

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

But maybe you could still pretend I am a strong man every once in a while anyway? As a treat?
no... oh... okay...

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 days ago (13 children)

I'm stumped at the simple task of trying to imagine what does imply to "feel like a man".

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (6 children)

A lot of it is centered around achievement and feeling useful, so building or fixing something, physical activity, being seen as a provider etc.

It's why men with families etc take being made redundant quite badly, not being able to provide for your family can really make you feel like a failure.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

Well that and not being able to put food on the table and a roof over their heads.

It's not about feelings at that point, even if they still exist.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

When you take your shirt off, you lift something real heavy, open a beer without a bottlecap opener, and high five somebody and it hurts then you should be activating all the correct masculine endorphin triggers. A lot of it comes as a response from high testosterone hormone levels.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I’m stumped at the simple task of trying to imagine what does imply to “feel like a man”.

I feel like a man when I know I've met all of my responsibilities to myself and the ones I care about, and that I've moved the world even an infinitesimally small way forward to help the others in it. This means lending a hand or an ear to those that need it either with my labor or my mind (or many time both).

I hope others have something close to this definition, but realistically I don't think its common.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (22 children)

I guess what confuses me about all of this is why these things are in any way manly?

Like being reliable and following through on your commitments. Is it masculine when someone who isn’t a man is like that?

Or if I’m told someone is manly, have I now learned that he is in fact dependable?

I don’t mean to try and excessively pick apart what you’re saying, it’s just something I’ve always really struggled with understanding. People always seem to say things that strike me as being ungendered character traits when they’re asked about their gender.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Ask a transmasc person

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

100% guy here, real man feel is when others can rely on me, when I can help, that kind of stuff. Not “big car hurr durr bbq male superyorr” and the likes.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I agree with you, but there’s no reason bbq needs to catch these strays.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You listen to Shania Twain’s hit Man! I Feel Like A Woman backwards

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Women's shirts and long skirts

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[–] [email protected] 168 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Strong people build others up. Weak people knock them down to feel big. You want to feel like a strong man? Protect others and be generous with your spirit.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You want to feel like a strong man? Protect others and be generous with your spirit.

Fucking this. Strong men—strong peoplehelp others. Healthy or not, realistic or not, this is the message that’s been sold to us since time immemorial. The knight that slays the dragon and saves the kingdom. The alien that crash lands and moonlights as a superhero. The sled dog runs 261 miles to bring the medicine to a town beset by an epidemic.

Yes, sure, one can argue some romanticism (or propaganda) with any given example. But the overall message of heroism, of strength, is not one of selfishness or of “me and mine”.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Heroism is something we ought to focus more on as a culture in general. Doing things simply because they are right and protecting others who cannot protect themselves cannot be understated.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Semi-related, as this reminded me of a quote from Cary Grant:

I pretended to be somebody I wanted to be and I finally became that person. Or he became me.

This was then repurposed on Star Trek Strange New Worlds by chief engineer Pelia (from a species that lives several centuries):

Most heroes I've seen... are just pretending half the time. There's this one guy I remember, he said to me, 'I always pretended to be someone I wanted to be, until finally, I became that someone, or he became me.'

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Pride come before the fall

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Ooooohhhhh…

Thats why pride month is in june

I get it now.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Leo is mostly in August though, so August should be pride month.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

My partner calls that Leo season

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

Oh! They call Autumn Fall in America.

I get it now.

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