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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 minute ago

Yes. We will pay for the tariffs.

American companies will pay for the tariffs, and then we the consumers who buy their products will pay for the tariffs via price increases.

This is money that we will invest. It is a tax. It is the government causing us to spend more money.

It is not a usual tax in the sense of money paid to the IRS. But it is an economic cost that we will pay in order to support a government policy.

The cost is paid to enact a certain outcome. The outcome is less importing of goods, and more of those goods being provided by sources within our borders. It will cost money to make this change. That cost will be paid by us.

We are being forced to pay money to enact a policy. That’s how it’s essentially a tax.

Except this policy is basically:

  • More stuff that American consumers consume, will come from American companies
  • There will be more manufacturing capability to meet this demand
  • There will be more demand for American labor, improving the lives of American workers
  • We will be more militarily capable due to being able to build more things in-house

That is a set of changes being targeted by this policy. We will pay for this policy by paying higher prices. The intention, the hope, is that the policy will pay for itself in terms of the third bullet point: more manufacturing in America means more jobs for Americans. More demand for American stuff means better bargaining position for American workers, means more income.

In the short term it’ll suck. Just like any other heavy tax can suck in the short term, before the benefits can manifest and make it worth it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 minute ago

idk why anybody is surprised, republicans are still going to lie about it, they will never admit how tariffs work, they are simply incapable.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 minutes ago

I figured everyone already knew this. Tariffs just screw consumers.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 hours ago

Nobody here is surprised.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

Yes, this is not news. News is supposed to be new information, this is entirely well known information, which stupid people just didn't care about

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 hours ago

Trump almost has it. If he can just be a slightly bigger ass on a slightly bigger stage, then he'll be happy.

Musn't give up too soon.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

It doesn't even matter:

https://www.axios.com/2024/11/18/consumer-confidence-trump-republicans-white-house

Turns out, a lot of consumer mood is literally just people's social media feeds. Even if prices go up and QoL goes down, on average, consumers might feel better simply because Trump being in office makes them feel good.

I am not going to point out how monumentally problematic this is... Nope. There's definitely no bad precedent for that.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

buys that external drive I've been putting off for a while

[–] [email protected] 1 points 42 minutes ago

I'm sitting here waiting for black Friday deals on lifep04 batteries for my solar setup. Fuck knows those are going to double in price when ding dong gets his hands on the levers.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

Meanwhile, in Canada, I've been meaning to build a raid 6 with 4TB drives. With any luck, as imports into your country drop, prices in my country will drop as well

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I was planning my first build in 7 years for around 6 months from now. I just CANT right now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

I just upgraded my GPU even though I wanted to wait until the new stuff drops, but I can't risk getting boned by tariffs and/or scalpers.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Hearing more and more stories about companies cutting bonuses this year so they can buy more supplies now at cheaper prices. They know the prices will go up and they'll have to pass the increase to the consumers. But how much you wanna bet these companies will still raise prices even before they have to pay their tariff increases? They're gonna get extra money on the supplies they paid the lower prices on.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I saw it explained best like this

Current imported price: $30

Current locally made price: $35

New imported price: $70

New locally made price: $69.99

[–] [email protected] 2 points 46 minutes ago (1 children)

Locally made still won't happen.

Say you're an businessman who's been manufacturing in China. Excel shows that you can make the same product in America for less than the post-tariff cost. Sound good?

But you're not stupid. You know the tariffs will end up wildly unpopular and fuck up the economy. A) Why keep producing when people won't be able to afford your goods? And more importantly, you want to be left holding the bag with your shiny new American factory when the tariffs are repealed?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 37 minutes ago

Oh for sure, I should have clarified that I was really speaking to the products that already have a US-based manufacturing presence and already have to compete with imports. Ramping up domestic production on things that aren't already manufactured here because of the demented ramblings of a guy who (ostensibly) won't be around in 4 years is just asking for your business to go under

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

...This is just normal basic business economics.

Your retail price is not predicated on what you paid to produce or obtain the product, it's based on what you expect to have to pay to produce or procure the next one.

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