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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

I find many of these shows and movies that are accused of being woke is because they create protagonists without flaws, out of fear of making non traditional characters look bad I guess? But protagonists without flaws are boring.

I'm trying to think what Burnham's fatal flaw is, or her deadly sin. It's mostly stuff that has happened to her and she has to overcome but that's not the same thing. Interesting protagonist have flaws like hubris, vice, hypocrisy, greed, something that makes them more real. You look at characters like Rey from star wars and again, flawless except for her past, which again is something that happened to her not something she is.

That's why people didn't like when Han Solo didn't shoot first. Yes Han Solo is overall a good guy, but he's also ruthless and a gangster when we meet him. If he's already a flawless good guy at the start,that just sucks. Anakin as well, good but arrogant and controlling

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

I watched them all, and I loved them all too. I had opinions and favorites, but now that I'm done with everything Trek I just wish I could watch it all for the first time again.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 day ago (16 children)

I just couldn't get into Discovery or Picard because they felt... weird? Not that it wasn't like Star Trek in the stories or that it was "woke," but it just didn't have the same vibe as what I grew up with. Lower Decks has the vibe, but not the tone or anything else. I need to check out Strange New Worlds. It looks like it might be what I'm really missing.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Both Picard and Discovery were season long plots without episodic filler episodes to shake things up which made it painfully obvious that their overarching plotlines were terrible. Add some poorly done melodramatic scenes about how the leads are the most important people ever without showing why (and in a lot of cases showing the opposite) and we have two series that were just a slog to watch up to the point that I stopped.

Both sounded good on paper. Both had great casts. Both seemed to suffer from terrible writing and direction.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

without episodic filler episodes to shake things up which made it painfully obvious that their overarching plotlines were terrible

The other series are episode-based with some random simple overarching plotlines thrown at them so they don't feel repetitive. Yes, those plotlines can't sustain a series, but that was never the goal.

I can't talk about Picard, but Discovery has a series of really interesting ideas that were completely destroyed by the overwhelmingly bad details. The plots are not exactly terrible, they have some more complex issues, and the insistence on emotional solutions to galaxy-wide physical problems is a recurring issue there (to the point that in season 4, where a "My Little Pony" plotline makes sense, it feels empty and repetitive).

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (4 children)

What's the "gay agenda" reference for TNG?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I also don't think the TNG cast is particularly overly-emotional.

Plus TNG didn't retcon Klingon appearance, it had been that way for like 10 years already by that point, from the TOS films.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah, I was gonna say I don't remember anybody being gay in TNG. Am I missing something?

Oh, and IMO the cast of TNG is the opposite of emotional. They are calm and collected 90% of the time. 5% is Riker being horny, and the other 5% is Picard losing his shit over the amount of lights or something.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 day ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

First one that comes to mind is "The Outcast". Not really gay, but for anyone who is triggered by anything different they would consider it "woke".

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)

There's also:

  • The Host which has Crusher dealing with falling in love with a Trill who moves hosts. It can be seen in some very specific ways as a trans allegory and just challenging heteronormative assumptions about love and attraction.

  • The show really pushes a lot of 'Found Family' stuff which ends up being super popular in most LGBTQ+ media because we're disowned by other people. (Data accepted and accepting himself as part of the crew, Worf and Alexander aren't too awesome but Deanna steps up a bit there. You've got Wesley who's kind of adopted by most of the upper ranks after a while.

  • TNG is purely "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations" which people see as gay agenda because they wanna collapse anything pro-diversity as just being LGBTQ+ because they have fragile pathetic minds.

  • Q is aggressively queer coded. The hyper dramatic and flamboyant personality, the penchant for being a theatrical whore, openly flirting with Picard (and Riker) in such a way that you genuinely aren't sure if he's joking or not, he rejects every type of rigid norm from humanity, Voyager and a few other things even hinted in such a way that due to his ability to change form he's above gendered norms too and sort of gender fluid. Not to mention being the campiest motherfucker this side of the Alpha quadrant. "It matters to me. YOU matter to me. Even Gods have favorites, Jean-Luc. You've always been one of mine." There's also his deep fucking loneliness, something that a metric fuckload of people in the community suffer from. Part of a whole but ostracized and on the outside? Yea.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Q is Queer? I never would've guessed.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"The Host" was another, and of course introducing the Trill species concept opens up for further things later on. The biggest flaw of that episode is how Beverly didn't seem to consider a continued relationship after the new host ends up being female. Which is a fine reaction, but for the show pushing boundaries they could have at least had her ponder the idea even if she didn't act on it. After all, who did she love? In that initial version of the Trill, the host was seemingly not in control, unlike later versions like Dax where the symbiote and host mix to create a shared personality.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

retconned Klingons to look super weird

TBF the Klingons were retconned in TMP

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

From now on, every Star Trek show should change the appearance of the Kinglons and the Trill. And also add a new color of Andorians.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Well, yes, obviously. "Broken" is a financial state, "empty" is filling amount, "dry" is an amount of humidity...

And you can look at any programing language the type of NaN.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 day ago (2 children)

BALD?? I have hair! Why else would I visit the best barber in Starfleet?!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I assume because the writers thought it was hilarious

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago

Because if he didn't, he would wind up looking like Hector Salamanca

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Pretty sure the downvoters didn't finish reading that...

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (3 children)

They sure didn't and only frothed as soon they saw WoKe.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

To be fair, woke is a really annoying right now, essentially a conservative dog whistle for "I want to be racist but don't want to be called racist", so I don't blame a lot of people for not finishing. If I read everything that started off with woke I'd have a much higher blood pressure.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I find it funny that not a single anti woke politician will say the word removed.

They understand woke. But they know they won't get punched in the face for saying tranny.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

woke is the new sheeple

...in that anytime anyone uses it to support their argument you immediately know they're a grade-a fuckewit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah, those woke sheeple are ruining everything!

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

I’m saving that. Not sure if and how I could use it as I (at least try…) avoid fanning flames, but…

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