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submitted 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

There are downsides with downloading their app just to input bad data, but it's a fun thought.


edit: While we're at it we might as well offer an alternative app to people.

I posted in [email protected] to collect recommendations for better apps

The post: https://lemmy.ca/post/32877620

Leading Recommendation from the comments

The leading recommendation seems to be Drip (bloodyhealth.gitlab.io)

Summarizing what people shared:

  • accessible: it is on F-droid, Google Play, & iOS App Store
  • does not allow any third-party tracking
  • the project got support from "PrototypeFund & Germany's Federal Ministry of Education and Research, the Superrr Lab and Mozilla"
  • Listed features:
    • "Your data, your choice: Everything you enter stays on your device"
    • "Not another cute, pink app: drip is designed with gender inclusivity in mind."
    • "Your body is not a black box: drip is transparent in its calculations and encourages you to think for yourself."
    • "Track what you like: Just your period, or detect your fertility using the symptothermal method."

Their Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@dripapp

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You would think it wouldn’t be this easy, but given the incredible disconnect from reality on reporting late term abortion statistics, this could scramble data.

For those who don’t know, the raw statistic of late term abortions comes down to late term terminations via a procedure used in pre 20week months to end a pregnancy. There’s little difference in logging the data. Babies can die inside, even as you’re trying to attend your own baby shower, like with that young girl who recently tried to get help from 3 Texas emergency rooms, but instead died due to the late term corpse rotting in her uterus.

The procedure used to expel a stillbirth in the late term is an abortion. That is what pregnancy termination by procedure is: abortion. But the context of corpse removal is lost on political alarmists who don’t bother to do their own research on how/when the procedure is used in late term pregnancy, in favor of uneducated hysteria and the demonizing of women.

My point is, given how resolutely people have not delved into the context of this data regarding stillbirths, messing with menstrual trackers can and probably will work, provided you don’t limit yourself to Flo.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Suggestion: log your hours gaming instead.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I have a reminder app that randomizes reminders for a medical issue I'm dealing with.

Sounds like I'll be dealing with two medical issues that app will require now.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There was an IT Crowd episode on the Manstrual Cycle

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago

Oh that's what I was remembering! Aunt Irma

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

people will do anything but search for an alternative

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 days ago (4 children)

...how do you mean?

Obviously we're not going to get everyone to download a FOSS period tracker, as nice as that would be -- they're already invested in the ones they're using, and no doubt it will have features and usability improvements the FOSS one doesn't, usually thanks to some network service that is fundamentally incompatible with the FOSS philosophy. That's almost always how these things go.

We should definitely be telling more people about F-Droid, but let's not get our hopes up. Socialism is about protecting everyone, even people who don't share your views, even if those views are objectively correct.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

We should definitely be telling more people about F-Droid, but let’s not get our hopes up

Accessibility (not being on FDroid only) was one of the things I was looking for when looking for recommendations. Thankfully the leading recommendation is on Google Play & iOS App Store :) I have edited the post above with more details

Drip (bloodyhealth.gitlab.io)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Minstrel cycle

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What is the actual goal here and will this behavior achieve that goal? Are we...

Adding a bunch of bullshit fictional data into a database that contains and will continue to gather legitimate data.

It strikes me that this would make the entire dataset less useful for legitimate medical research while not really doing much against targeted attacks. I could see some women's health researchers using anonymized data from something like this, and noise from people vomiting into it in protest would destroy it for that use. Or, you'd notice a bunch of accounts all join at about the same time making nonsensical data and just ignore the data from the accounts that joined around that time. Meanwhile I doubt this will stop the Gestation Gestapo from correlating genuine data with the actual identity of its owner.

Are you going to try to input obviously fake data? Make an attempt at realistic data? Try to trigger a Gestation Gestapo death squad, trying to make the service useless via false positives?

Or run up the service's data bills and maybe take up some of their cloud storage with fake data?

Start adding bullshit fictional data coinciding with women genuinely leaving the service

What would this accomplish that just having women stop using the thing do?

I've been trying to make that point for over a decade now. I think I get to unironically drop this xkcd. The alt text mentions diaspora, lol.

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[–] [email protected] 101 points 2 days ago (3 children)

So I fucking hate that this is where my brain went, but my kneejerk reaction to this was: "If I do this, could it be used as evidence to charge my wife with the death of a nonexistent fetus?"

I live in the cousin-fuckingly-deep south where women are incubators and a long list of stereotypes. I could definitely see it argued in court - successfully - that an app like that was only used on my phone to try to conceal my wife's data, and the data points to one of the ways we've criminalized pregnancy.

...and that's thinking about what could happen here and now. Once Trump has had his way with our country, we'd probably just get deported to one of daddy Putin's gulags or some shit.

I really fucking hate it here.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

Track your nightly flatulence on a piece of paper too, and keep the same data on it that you put in the app. If it makes it to court claim the app was just a convient way to track other things, and let the courts discuss your farts.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

not to mention the reason why you're only supposed to say the word "lawyer" to cops is they literally tell you: "ANYTHING you say CAN and WILL be used AGAINST YOU in a court of law." That doesn't mean "might or maybe" or "to help you."

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah, I would only do this if I lived alone or only with other males and had no SO/post-puberty daughters/close female friends.

[–] [email protected] 165 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

it's quite silly imo. unlikely to accomplish much or anything at all. teaching people about free software like drip is way more likely to actually help people. it's free, open source, and completely local.

edit: they even have a mastodon!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Because moving people off Facebook messenger and over to Signal or WIRE instead has been so very effective.

You are right. We here know it. But we are a teeny tiny percentage compared to 340million.

Remember, inertia is a major driving force of humanity.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Drip seems to be the leading recommendation. I've edited the post with it so people seeing the meme also get the recommendation :)

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Not to mention that downloading that flow app will help them boost thier numbers, I doubt they'd care if men are using it as long as they can sell the data...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Would a bunch of users entering garbage data, with not all of them being totally obvious, make it harder to sell that data? Possibly.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

It might take a while for thier customers to notice that the data is garbage, or they might develop a way to figure out what data is garbage and still sell other data gathered from the OS/sensors etc from users trying to poison the data.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is the scummiest app I've ever downloaded.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Can you elaborate? my wife uses it, I told her about Drip and other opensource alternatives but I don't know where "scummiest" comes from

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Well, it depends on what you want out of it and, to be fair, i am not a period-haver.

That being said there is so, so much tracking it is doing to give you data and recommendations. While getting started it felt positively gross the amount fo personal questions it was asking. Why is all that necessary? Again, it depends if you want whatever information it is giving you.

But, even on top of that, wasn't it proven that the app was selling data to interested parties to be used for nedarious reasons? That's why we're even doing this whole men-should-sign-up-to-feed-it-bullshit-and-ruin-the-data in the first place.
Even though, as another user said: it likely wouldnt actually do anything.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Things you would f consider can affect menstrual cycles. Malnutrition. Thyroid issues. The body is one giant interaction effect.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

While getting started it felt positively gross the amount fo personal questions it was asking. Why is all that necessary?

Hi. Occasional period haver here. With all due respect, it’s possible that since the context is the menstrual cycle, questions that seem irrelevant to you (as a not-period-haver) might actually be important for the typical end user (period-havers.) Things like age, weight, diet, activity level, and more can all play a role in how someone’s period affects them. But I have no plans to download this, or any other tracker app, so I can’t independently determine the extent to which that’s the case.

Could anyone who signed up provide some specific question examples?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If we go by the wikipedia page, no, apparently they never did sell data to third parties, although there were allegations at some point. But perhaps wikipedia isn't the most reliable on this particular subject or is out of date

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

(Edit: Replied to the wrong post. Sorry!)

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