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Cummins Diesel Cheats Emissions Tests - Fined $1.6B by US (www.thecooldown.com)
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Cummins Diesel Cheats Emissions Tests - Fined $1.6B by US

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Here's some more info from the Justice Department release: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/statement-attorney-general-merrick-garland-agreement-principle-cummins-settle-alleged

The company allegedly installed defeat devices on 630,000 model year 2013 to 2019 RAM 2500 and 3500 pickup truck engines. The company also allegedly installed undisclosed auxiliary emission control devices on 330,000 model year 2019 to 2023 RAM 2500 and 3500 pickup truck engines.

Which makes this quote in OP's article even more infuriating:

“The company has seen no evidence that anyone acted in bad faith and does not admit wrongdoing,” Cummins External Communications Director Jon Mills told Forbes.

Installing a cheat device is the definition of acting in bad faith!!!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm genuinely curious how they're pulling this off. Is it called something entirely innocent internally? Like "emissions controller" or something?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Probably similar to what VW did. Just had a small group of people know about it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago

So they are even worse than they officially were?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

This news makes me Cummins.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Noice - make sure you get the cash .

[–] [email protected] 46 points 8 months ago (2 children)

$1.6 Billion is a lot for cummins. I've got a massage parlor down the road that'll do it for $50.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

The best part of cheap laughs is that I can get so many, well done.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Cummins CEO: Wears gas mask This is fine.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Whoa, a 10-figure fine *for a giant corporation!? About time they made that shit hurt!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

From reading the article, it was approximately 1 million vehicles in violation, all pickup trucks. That works out to $1,600 per vehicle.

Don't take this the wrong way—the fine is large, but $1,600 on vehicles that sell for fifty times that still seems... thin.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is Cummings, they make the engines, not the truck. I have no clue what they charge car companies for their engines but I know it is a lot closer to $1,600 than the cost of the completed truck.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

You can buy a Cummins crate engine for $10,000. Assuming that’s a large markup compared to the negotiated amount I’m sure the vehicle manufacturers got, I would bet they’re being fined around 20 percent of what they made off of selling the engines to manufacturers.

Probably not enough to kill the company, but definitely enough to make them think twice on doing it again (almost like what fines should be….).

[–] [email protected] 38 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Then you'll love to hear how VW paid a $2.8 billion fine (in 2017) when they were caught doing the same thing!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

That was just one of the many cases. In total, dieselgate cost VW $38 billion. On top of that, a lot of their executives ended up in prison.

Unfortunately, every other automaker (well, except Tesla for fairly obvious reasons) did the same thing, some worse than VW, and barely got any punishment.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (3 children)

VW probably had way more cars involved though, so the cost per car was lower.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

And VW cratered due to consumer backlash. For Cummins, this is a marketing opportunity.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

VW also has a revenue that’s almost 10x as much as Cummins. It’s a “cost of doing business” write off for both of them, but a more expensive one for Cummins comparatively

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago

I wouldnt underestimate how many cummins engines there are, lots of trucks, tractors and other large machines use them, some of which run constantly. If anything i would say they got off lighter than VW

[–] [email protected] 74 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Corporations have no shame. From the article:

Cummins says it will continue collaborating with investigators to lower the environmental red flag.

If your neighbor got caught stealing mail, then solemnly declared he'd continue working with the police to reduce theft in the neighborhood, you'd punch him across the face.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I do agree. Unfortunately most manufacturers of diesel engines aren't stoked about environmental regulations and plenty have stopped trying all together.

Currently their plan is to just throw more urea at the exhaust.

I remember them having to bypass the DEF system on a lot of vehicles because they didn't make enough spare parts of the system they put in. So I'm sure they knew either face public backlash or get fined by the government. It was probably a calculation where the 2b was on the cheaper side from them. I'm sure they made enough money that they don't feel the need to fight it.

Once again, not an endorsement. I'm sure every diesel engine manufacturer is/will/was doing the same thing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Seems like the plan right now is similar to Amazon and SpaceXs bet with the NLRB: throw up roadblocks, don't cooperate, bet on Trump. It's truly sad to watch.