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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It's about playing with your friends but I also despise default sticks as an analog input lol (especially coming from a mouse).

Either shape it to conform to my thumb like the cheapo one on the 3DS, or give me a Dpad.

Aside from the ergonomics, there are a ton of games out here commiting the grave sin of mapping analog to digital inputs.

Nintendo even got rid of the dpad entirely, so now you have no option but to use the crappy c-sticks for everything. It is a pain to use in something like smash bros which 99% of the time takes 8 directional inputs, not a continuously variable swipe.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

What kinda space mutant hands do you have where the 3DS of all things was comfortable?

I even played Zelda with the stylus, such was the shape of Nintendo's handhelds.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Arcade stick master race

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Gaming on a TV sucks and gaming with a controller sucks for majority of game genres. What's life without strategy games.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (14 children)

Gaming on a TV is amazing if you buy one designed for gaming. Get a good recliner. Keyboard in lap, mouse on armrest (or end table). You'll never want to go back to a desk ever again. Trust me, I've been computing this way for over a decade now. Fuck desks and shitty overpriced office chairs that give you back pain.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Map game is the ultimate genre.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

I too love March of the Eagles and Svea Rike.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Just plug it into a monitor and turn off the other screen 😂

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I find game controllers hurt my hands, but mouse and keyboard does not

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What side of this debate am I on if I have a dedicated gaming PC that stays plugged into the TV, that I interact with exclusively through a gamepad? Or my buddy who plays Xbox on a monitor at his desk? This isn't about PC or console, this is about couch vs desk.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

puts couch in front of desk

Checkmate

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

done, now what?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Is a Steam Deck plugged into the TV and a set of bluetooth controllers a PC?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I understamd the simple joys of conaole gaming. Spending a day building a pc vs 3 cables on a console. But (in AUD) $1200 for the PS5 Pro vs $800 for a capable PC i built with my students???

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago

Not to mention you need to pay to use the internet that you're already paying for. Fuck Microsoft for starting that trend.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Spending a day building a pc

That's the joy though

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (3 children)

How are you spending a day building a new PC though? :( I'm always done in 30mins - 1 hour max :(

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Maybe it's time you got into SFF PCs. Or maybe it's best you don't.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Already looked into it, and see no reason for it. I don't particularly care a few liters more size of my PC, my home can handle it. Additional cost = not worth

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

For me, it's a several hour process. I enjoy the cable management, for one thing. I like to handle each component as carefully as if I'm assembling a nuclear bomb. Idk, it's a fun therapeutic process that I like to take my time with.

Well, except for the last one I built. Which is basically just crammed in however I could get stuff to fit. Had to bust out the angle grinder for the graphics card to make it in. Had to relocate the hard drive cage. Cable management is just enough so they aren't rubbing on any fans. I have rubber shims wedged under the Blu-ray drive to prevent rattling in the stupid tool free drive bay. It's a disaster in there. But it usually doesn't get over 70C in game, so I'm not going to mess with it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But it usually doesn’t get over 70C in game, so I’m not going to mess with it.

So not an Intel build then?

I'm just salty as fuck that my last build randomly temp spikes for no goddamn reason that I can discern (and I just so happen to have one of the newer chips folks are complaining about).

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You reallydont need ps5 pro for antyhing. Ps4 pro was a scam and so is ps5 pro. Normal ps5 is more than capable enough

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Just add porn to the gaming. Have fun. ;-)

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

What console. Custom SFFPC hooked to the TV!

[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 days ago (7 children)

I will die defending kb/m superiority over controllers, mostly because most strategy games are not made with controllers in mind at all. Also because I hate having to wait for a camera to pan around when I can do a ~~very inaccurate~~ 180º in a fraction of a second

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Yeah, but they're really hard to use while kicked back on the couch relaxing.

And honestly, I no longer enjoy games that require that level of precision and speed. I play games to relax and decompress after a lot of work, and if the game is complex or difficult enough that a cintroller can't handle it, I'm probably gonna opt for something simpler anyway.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Honestly, it really depends on the game and what control scheme it was designed for.

Controllers are absolutely dog crap at RTS, and anything else that is heavily GUI based. Controller mouse emulation is zero fun, and some games really need more shortcuts than controller buttons will allow. Highly competitive FPS games need fast mouse response as you observed, but there's plenty of other FPS titles that are good enough on controller (e.g. Halo).

At the same time, keyboard keys have a different response and feel than controller buttons. Fighting, platforming, and other games make excellent use of what controllers have to offer.

A good example of what I'm talking about is comparing Diablo 2 to Diablo 3. The latter is a dream to play with a controller, and the game mechanics have been streamlined pretty much for that. Meanwhile, Diablo 2 absolutely requires mouse and keyboard to be playable.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 days ago (6 children)

You don't have to defend or attack any of them. Different use cases fit different devices.

Best example is GTA V. A lot of people using kb/m for the running and shooting, and the controller for driving and flying.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Yup. 90% of what I play use keyboard & mouse, but some games are straight-up better with a controller.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Definitely agree. I used to be a KB/m only person, but have changed my opinion since using a controller for a while out of necessity. Some games are simply better with a controller.

Some are much worse. FPS will never translate well to controller for me. No idea how CoD people play on console. It feels like trying to throw a ball with someone else's hand by manipulating their elbow.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The newer Doom games play well on a controller because precision movement matters more than precision aiming, so even on PC I play with a controller.

Having an analog stick instead of WSAD makes the movement much more fluid, and a double-barreled shotgun, rocket launcher, or chainsaw don't exactly require pixel-perfect aiming.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Nowadays you can achieve the same with analog keyboards. Took a bit of getting used to having control over the speed/angle by how deep your pressing the keys but works great.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Aim assist, generally speaking. That's how they try and make it "fair" for console users.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

I've never played a game where aim assist was done well enough for me. It's either too little or too much. That is probably me though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Worst example is the Nintendo Switch controller. The triggers are binary so you can't control your throttle in racing games.

Super Mario Sunshine used the analog triggers on the GameCube to differentiate a partial press where you can move around while spraying water or a full press where you can't move, and the control stick is instead used to aim.

Consequently, in the Switch port, you can no longer half-press, so emulating the GameCube version is a better experience than playing the official Switch port.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

For Sunshine, they mapped RT to half press and RB to full press, so there isn't really any practical change, except hitting a different shoulder button instead of partially pressing the same one.

I do agree on lamenting the triggers being digital though. I played a lot of Rocket League and the lack of fine grained controls alone was enough to not really enjoy it on Switch.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

I still lament the loss of analogue face buttons from the PS2 controller.

It was mostly used on racing games where newer analogue triggers are a lot more precise, but it can make emulating older games tricky.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Lol, that's my setup, but with an actual computer, not some dinky console. You wouldn't belive how comfortable coding on a TV with a good wireless keyboard is. And if I feel like laying back and watching something or gaming? HAHA! Already on the couch BABY! Man, it makes me feel old, but I have no shame. Also have a little lap table, so I can use a mouse for the odd occasion I'm playing something with an FPS camera.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

After I graduated college and got my first place on my own, I had my desk set up in the corner of the living room with a long HDMI cable strung around along the baseboards and into the TV. It was clean. It was a Vizio 37" panel from 2011 so it had no smart features. I kept a Logitech keyboard/trackpad combo on the coffee table and that's essentially how I had a smart TV running full blown Windows 8 Pro in 2013. Tired of desk gaming? I got a DualShock 4 and a Bluetooth adapter so all I had to do was turn the controller on and walk to the couch. Sometimes, switching my sound device did mean saving and restarting my game. Some games handled the Alt + Tab to the Control Panel just fine. I put a Blu Ray drive in my computer too so with some software, I used it as a Blu Ray player.

These days, I have 10 TB on board so I keep my movies stored on my disk, and I stream them over my local network. I'd like to build a proper always on NAS one day, but for now, my gaming PC is also my network share.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago (2 children)

My condolences for your back

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Condolences appreciated. Luckily I get to walk around quite a bit, because my work and errands are in walking distance, but yea...

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Then you have the Steam Deck which can easily serve as both.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Handheld Supremacy.

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