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The reality is that it always takes time for some states to count all the votes; when these rumors started ramping up, there were over ten million uncounted ballots in California alone. But, many people don't know that this is how things always work. So, with emotions high in the aftermath of the election, disinformation purveyors are taking advantage of the opportunity to get well-intentioned people to help amplify conspiracy theories.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

"check to see if the information is accurate" is better advice.

All the way back to bush, conservatives were ramping up removing voting machines from minority and blue districts, purging voter registrations, challenging cosmetic scuffs on ballots, and they did the same thing this election.

votes being attacked and blocked definitely happened, and thousands of votes were blocked in most states that were perfectly legal, but it doesn't stop conservatives from challenging their validity.

it doesn't have to be labeled a "conspiracy" if it is a fact.

conservatives can't win purely on numbers anymore, so they focus on dividing and disqualifying democratic voters.

blocked legal ballots:

https://www.turnto23.com/politics/america-votes/pennsylvania-election-officials-tackling-challenges-to-mail-ballots

purged voter rolls:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-allows-virginia-purge-noncitizens-voter-rolls-ahead-elec-rcna177673

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/20/politics/attempts-to-purge-voter-rolls-increase-as-election-nears/index.html

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 4 days ago (8 children)

I'm only wondering about the statistically improbable break between the state where they voted all Dems downballot but then swapped to Trump just for President.

This is so statistically unlikely, having one or two states this way would be improbable as hell, but (I am not claiming this is true) there are apparently many instances where this happened.

I'm not sharing any of this stuff I see but so far this is the one that got my eyebrow raised.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Missouri voted to legalize abortion again. Then elected the man who will get it banned nationally. Previously we voted to reduce dark money etc in local elections. And in the very next election repealed those restrictions again. People are fucking ignorant. Those in the state of misery doubly so.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

That's assuming that all Trump supporters vote down ballot. I've been reading that a non-negligable percentage of Trump voters just voted for president and left down ballot races blank. Considering Trump only won the swing states by tiny percentages, a small percentage of Trump voters leaving blank the rest is easily enough to sway it

For instance, if we look at Wisconsin senate, we see that Tammy Baldwin has almost exactly the same number of votes as Harris (only a couple hundred more), but Eric Hovde shows less substantially votes than Trump got

Results with ~99% reported:

Donald Trump: 1,697,769

Kamala Harris: 1,668,082

(And about 40k for third party)

Vs senate

Tammy Baldwin: 1,668,545 [+436 from Harris]

Eric Hovde: 1,641,181 [-56,615 from Trump]

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I had suggested to people before that if you are not going to vote for President, at least vote down the ballot for local people and don't discard the whole election. Voting Democrat but then for Trump does seem very odd.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (4 children)

People spent the last 4 years asking for proof in response for allegations of voter fraud and the only way to not normalize the concept of voter fraud is to continue to do just that. The only reasonable thing to do is just that.

Throughout America's history we've gotten through some pretty wild shit with nothing more than the fervent belief that the framework upon which our Republic is built can withstand the test of time so long as we are willing to defend it, and have faith that people like those were counting the votes, because most of them are

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago

It’s also worth mentioning that turnout percentage wise, 12m fewer votes is just 6-7%, and a turnout swing of that size is perfectly normal

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