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cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/6186705

And most importantly, who's gonna be our Hoxha?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I didn't even know what a hexbear was until recently, but it looks like it's in its death throes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

I hope not I steal a lot of memes from there

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

No, but I wish they would read more. It's pretty obvious only a few read theory and the rest barely read more than the headlines of articles.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

Never gonna happen, they're our comrades in arms against the liberal servers.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

My friend in Hexbear sent me this picture of the shelves in his Bearmart:

It's just a matter of time before they cave to liberals; we need to defederate NOW to protect ourselves.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

If it did what would be the future of our friendship?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

Wisconcom is Hoxha tho, that's already in the bag.

Serious answer? It's never going to happen, neither set of developers wants to go it alone, and the admins have said they won't defed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (4 children)

We should do it for fun for a day. No warning.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

Ooo, April fools day

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

just drop by hexbear and talk about meat in our behald, that'll do

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Okay. I’ve got to ask. Don’t judge me. But what is our behald, and why do we have meat in it? What volume of Capital is this in? Should I be concerned?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not sure if you are taking the piss, but it's clear they meant to say "On our behalf" and fat fingered their keys.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

I was being a little facetious, but that’s what I figured. I legitimately have very hard time with reading comprehension. Comes with the territory of having dyslexia.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

behald

I'm not even sure if this is an actual word lol

Edit: It's not an actual word lmfao

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

this typo will cause the grad-hex split

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

And then it lasts until Lemmygrad falls due to Gorbachev becoming admin or some shit.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

It’ll be over sex work

And we already have a Hoxha

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

We already know of Hexbear's liberalism on many issues and their many, many liberal users. Fact is we're not doing a split over it because as the admins have said we don't defederate except from porn and open fascist instances.

Now could Hexbear throw a shit-fit and defederate from us? That I could see happening easily. There are numerous drama loving types there and there was that one big thread accusing us baselessly of bigotry because someone got moderated and took it personally to the point of stirring up trouble and calling names as well as for defederation.

I mean just looking at the comically ridiculous struggle sessions hexbears start among themselves it's almost amazing it hasn't happened already.

Warning, minor criticism incoming: There are far too many there that are given far too much ear from their admins in ways that further pointless and counterproductive in-fighting over nothings that exemplifies the do-nothing, always bickering western left. It's my second favorite instance after this one I want to be clear, I like a lot of the people there and I'm glad it exists but I do have my problems with it. People accuse MLs of being authoritarian (and so we are) and yet it's not us but the left unity instance that is constantly having people appeal to the authorities in the hierarchy (ironic) to settle this or that little tiff or disagreement and to impose sweeping changes on others and communities and so on as a result of someone calling to the admins with a convincing sob sorry or whatever. I mean look at the current struggle they have going on over their changes to their shitliberalssay type communities. Just a total disconnect from the masses of their site including long-time users who love that stuff. It's kind of funny to me but also kind of sad. As the old saying goes, it's a land of contrasts that Hexbear.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

Now could Hexbear throw a shit-fit and defederate from us? That I could see happening easily. There are numerous drama loving types there and there was that one big thread accusing us baselessly of bigotry because someone got moderated and took it personally to the point of stirring up trouble and calling names as well as for defederation.

Was that about Lemmy.ml as well? Apparently, they saw Nutomic's transphobic remarks, and saw personal issues on age-of-consent views held by a mod named Davel, and was rantin' on and about that

As for calling names and stirring up trouble, yeah, they can be a handful

I mean just looking at the comically ridiculous struggle sessions hexbears start among themselves it’s almost amazing it hasn’t happened already.

That's a Chapo thing, and I think it prolly did

People accuse MLs of being authoritarian (and so we are) and yet it’s not us but the left unity instance that is constantly having people appeal to the authorities in the hierarchy (ironic) to settle this or that little tiff or disagreement and to impose sweeping changes on others and communities and so on as a result of someone calling to the admins with a convincing sob sorry or whatever.

Yeah, you have to remember, these western leftists came from an exodus off r/chapotraphouse, a banned dirtbag leftist subreddit based around an edgy left-wing podcast, and brought their chaotic energy as well onto chapo.chat, now known as Hexbear.net.

I guess this appeal to authority is overcompensation for their historic chaotic brosocialist vibes...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Consent is term that refers to the exercise of free will, which is an idealist concept. No one consented to being born, so no one fully consents to anything else that happens either.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

Sure, that's a take.

You can conclude from there that all forms of exploitation are fine because consent didn't exist anyway, or you can leave it in the trash.

Philosophical gymnastics divorced from grounded materialism that leave us with "nothing is real, everything is permitted" nonsense don't have utility in Marxist discussion.

Sorry about the sass, I think it's a topic that sets me off.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (2 children)

What are the respective positions on sex work?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

My position is Kollontai position, unproductive work has to be abolished 👍

https://www.marxists.org/archive/kollonta/1921/prostitution.htm

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Ours is the Marxist position which seeks the complete abolition of prostitution and other forms of sexual exploitation including pornography. Their position is not that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

And what's funny is, they have this whole meme over there from Matt Christmen about treats. About western imperial core liberals being concerned about access to treats and it's not untrue. But then they take this view of women that's essentially treat-based.

That is access to pornography is a treat for their largely while male base, access to prostitutes are a treat for their aforementioned base. So they seek out thinking on this, bad liberal feminism and choose that over Marxist feminism because it allows them to enjoy their sexual exploitation treats without feeling bad or needing to change or do self reflection. And it also allows some of those exploited to deceive and delude themselves into thinking they're not exploited which is also a compelling thing as who likes feeling like that? The common refrain of the exploited worker at the bottom is they're just working their way up, they have an angle they're going for, a side-hustle, they'll be out of here soon and it's a cope there and a cope from some of the apologists who've been involved in it here. Much as women lie to themselves about being sexually assaulted to avoid confronting the uncomfortable reality, there are those who lie about this form of sexual exploitation.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

Writing on hexbear, if you don't want to get as many people jumping down your throat, it's good to use the term that is closer to technically accurate, "the porn industry," since exhibitionists do exist. That still doesn't cover it either because there are various sorts of exploitative porn production outside of "the porn industry" but if you err on the side of rejecting acceptable practices rather than accepting unacceptable ones, they'll call you a "SWERF" or a puritan or whatever happens to come to their mind at the moment.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

either that or meat

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

Apparently, they're banned...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I will be Hoxha.

...What? Someone's gotta be!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Come now, dear American, we've already got our Thermonuclear Statsian Hoxha.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

I'm not American, I'm Latina!

...But fine.