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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The lesson for Democrats is surely that after years and years of telling anyone they could find that had concerns about society "oh you must be a literal Nazi, cope harder la la la la whoop whoop air high fives and fist bumps that's roiiight ma BOI!" at some point these people are going to turn around and say "well ok then, I just won't vote for you because you have nothing to offer me".

I'm not saying the Republican party has done this any better, but surely insulting potential voters en masse and refusing to understand their concerns isn't a sensible way to win elections. I didn't work for Hilary either, and it hasn't worked for Harris.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The turnout was really high, the democrats main plan for this election was catering to the "moderate republicans" which backfired spectacularly (a smaller % of registered republicans voted for democrats than in 2020), left-wing was pretty much abandoned in the campaign... It's a horror all around, and the democratic party only have themselves to blame for this blunder instead of trying to point fingers at literally everything (so far I've seen blame thrown on LGBTQ+, Biden, Kamala's aides, left wing voters, etc).

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Like 9-10 million votes are yet to be counted.

In every swing state except PA. There was record breaking ballots cast. In PA it was close to the record. She lost the election because bad policies not people not showing up. People changed their mind in the 6 swings states. Idk why or what for but this election wasn't lost because of 10 million people not voting it was lost by my calculations 275,092 votes in 4 states.

I'll wait until the count is over to check if she earned more votes in the 6 swing states than biden in 2020. But lots more votes to count again like 10 million yet to be counted almost all in states that are pretty much decided so they didn't make a difference anyway

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago

It wasnt commies, it was the working class cope harder.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 weeks ago

The fact that he had a penis

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Second highest voter turnout in any US presidential election on record. Both by numbers and percentage of eligible voters.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

Yep. Appears America is just that stupid.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Your super-wealthy decided who won. Trump offered them the most tax breaks and government contracts. As such, he had the most money to spend on his campaign and all the social media bosses on-side. Republican or Democrat, the biggest spender always wins.

Thats literally all there is to it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Republican or Democrat, the biggest spender always wins.

Derp.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

People got a clue after 40+ years of Lucy yanking the football away at the last moment.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (9 children)

Have you seen the numbers of people who think they were better off 4 years ago?

People think they were better off during the height of COVID deaths. Our attention span is 27 seconds. We're idiots

Also, Harris doesn't have a penis and somehow that's supposed to matter

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

A lot of folks actually were better off back then due to the stimulus checks...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, getting less than one month's living expenses over a period of 18 months of un or underemployment really had me living large!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

A California lawyer trying to win a centrist campaign is like Tiger Woods trying to win a World Series ring. Harris wasn't the right person to run a centrist campaign. But, if she had run a progressive campaign from July, she would have won the popular vote and still lost the election. She wouldn't have gotten past a primary.

Elizabeth Warren would have been a better progressive choice. Mark Kelly could have run a progressive or a centrist campaign.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

Gods, I'd have loved seeing an astronaut in the big chair.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The funny thing is I have been aware of this lack of memory for awhile but it has just gotten worse. I used to be amazed at the number of folks who could not seem to remember what things were like a decade ago but now thats been cut to about a year or so.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The cycle of political crisis generation and complacency has gone down from 8 years to 4 in the last forty years. People grew complacent over Clinton's two terms and then allowed GWB to happen, same with Obama and Trump, now we're putting Democrats in there to clean up after even worse crises than before, and putting Republicans back there after the last mess isn't even fully cleaned up.

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[–] [email protected] 107 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (10 children)

Are you fucking kidding? Because Biden 2020 was a progressive platform and Harris 2024 was a centrist one. They weren't even remotely similar. Biden may be a centrist, but he's very pro-labor, and he could see how important the progressive base was that election, so he literally sat down with Sanders and hammered out a platform that they could get behind. And while I've got a lot of problems with Joe Biden, he actually was very committed to that platform. He really wanted BBB to get through and he kept trying to find ways to abolish student debt.

Harris, on the other hand, had a handful of disparate, vaguely left policy positions, like the first-time homebuyer's credit and legalizing pot, but her campaign was mainly centered on economic opportunity for the middle class. She also committed wholeheartedly to the most right-wing polices of the Biden administration, like arming Israel and cracking down on the border. But worst of all, she made bipartisanship and Republican consensus a huge part of her campaign, promising to add Republicans to her cabinet , campaigning with Liz Cheney, and even praising Dick Fucking Cheney.

TL;DR, Biden campaigned like Obama in 2008, Harris Campaigned like Hillary in 2016. And the results were the same.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Do you even remember 2020? Nobody fucking wanted Biden. He was never progressive. He was literally mocked for telling donors "Nothing will fundamentally change." People turned out because of how much they hated Trump.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 weeks ago

That actually occurred in 2019, not 2020. After Bernie nearly stomped him in the primary, he made a hard pivot to the left in 2020. As I said, he's a centrist, but he actually does have a strong history of pro-union activism, which made him a fairly credible (though imperfect) messenger for a populous platform.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

I bet a lot of people saw this as Hillary all over again

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I sure did. I was genuinely hopeful when Biden stepped down, and when they announced Walz, I actually got excited. Then they started to try and reach moderate Republicans more and more, and I slowly realized they were doing it again. I felt like I was going insane watching them repeat the strategy that caused them to lose to the same guy in 2016.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The meme demanded, pjwestin delivered.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

I do what I can. If the question had been asked in good faith, I might have even been nice about it.

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