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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

That's a bit dramatic

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Over 40? For me is even worst! You younglings still have time to do something. I have no house, no savings, no retirement plan and no time to do all that! I'm the most fucked! Do you think I expect good things?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You will own nothing, and you will love it! 😠

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I know, right? Who decided that things get better after 40?

As a GenXer pushing 50 I can guarantee that things have always been tough and they're not getting better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

and yet we essentially live in the best of times.

Sad we can't find a political way for everyone to have enough of what we have.

primal needs to hoard are strong in humans.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We're still using instincts that were designed for the wild.

We're a perfect example of what happens when a predator species becomes overpopulated. They over indulge in a plentiful bounty not realizing they're killing out their food source.

That's why we hunt dear or kill wolves. A balance must exist or everything goes awry.

Humans destroyed this balance.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Ukraine-Russia & Israel-Palestine wars, and the likelyhood of China going after Taiwan before 2027, and the Koreas continually being a powder keg influenced by all of this. Between all that and me being 23 years old I sincerely think I might witness World War 3, it's terrifying, yet it feels inevitable with our era of false 1st world peace built on a house of cards.

That's not even mentioning the Republican Project 2025, as a trans person I might have to fight for my life.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What do you mean by house of cards? Seems to me like the current political order is the most stability the world has ever seen and is only threatened by an axis of fascist countries that deliberatly wants to plunge the world into war and chaos.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's been stable based on temporary peace and Mutually Assured Destruction (not just from nukes). For example China-Taiwan are still in a civil war that never officially ended, and China has always wanted to reabsorb Taiwan and Taiwan has always been opposed to. The Koreas are actively still in a cease fire for a war that also never concluded. And the middle east has always been churning with armed conflicts.

The western 1st world countries managed to extract enough wealth to stay far and away from these kinds of conflicts, but they are still heavily dependent on these countries and we'll all feel the impacts if things get worse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Some of us are doing ok and just trying to keep our heads down and not get caught in the crossfire. Good luck you guys. I wish you better fortune in the future.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I really wish my generation was a bit more optimistic. Yeah shit sucks, don't get me wrong. But have you guys seen all of history? This is par for the course. Yeah the challenges are different but every generation had their challenges. And yeah baby boomers definitely had it better than us, but that doesn't mean there's nothing but bad stuff to come. You have to take life with the good and the bad and make the most of it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's interesting when you look at birthrate declines is not that they are declining, it's that they are declining to NORMAL LEVELS. Everyone is freaking out that the next generation won't be big enough to support retiring Boomers without understanding that there should never have been so many Boomers in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Boomers without understanding that there should never have been so many Boomers in the first place.

its literally in their name too: 'baby boomers'. too many in too short a time and they have dominated politics for the better part of a century now

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Most generations don't need to deal with an impending threat to the whole planet. Nuclear apocalypse, sure, but at least there was no pretending that it wasn't a problem.

This is ignoring all of the other ways in which we're fucked.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Another thing that is worse is how we havent had anything recently to inspire hope. The Higgs Boson would have been the Millenial/Gen Z equivalent of the moon landing if the public hadn't been so distrusting of physics because of string theory evangelists.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

The bad is starting to look more and more like an impending global societal collapse with every passing day though

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You need to give articles making predictions about the future a heavy amount of doubt. We may be relatively intelligent as a species, but I genuinely think we way over-estimate our abilities. Predicting the future is hard. The biggest problem is that predictions are based on past data, and cannot account for what might happen that hasn't happened before. Which when faced with a brand new problem tends to be a brand new response.

Look at our lives right now. While certainly not ideal (who could make that claim, in all history?) it's pretty damn nice if you look back in time. Yes lotsa awful stuff MIGHT happen, but that's always been true. And compared to the challenges of the past it's not on any scale we haven't been on before (I mean the Cold War literally could have resulted in the planet becoming uninhabitable due to nukes).

I'm not saying I disagree with you, I'm merely trying to give it a glass half full perspective. I agree some scale of societal collapse does seem like it is a real possibility, but it's by no means guaranteed or necessarily even likely. We don't know what we don't know. Embrace not knowing what the future holds and just enjoy life for what it is today.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

This is what gave me some peace: it could all end horribly for me at any minute. Anything could happen. I could get hit by a bus. I could die painfully from some fucked up disease. A fat asteroid could hit the earth. It's all out of my control. Or things could turn out for the better, by some way I never foresaw. The best thing for us to do is to strive to be good people and care for what is in front of us.

I still find it a bit of a mindfuck that humanity is being such a deleterious effect on this beautiful world.

... and I do think that growing up under the threat of nuclear holocaust must have been similarly terrifying.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah I don't know about "par for the course"

What other generation had the threat of scientifically proven ecological collapse looming over them?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Considering science has only gotten robust enough to prove anything like that far more recently than any good examples of ecological collapse, I'd say this parameter is a little arbitrary.

The best example I can think of regarding ecological collapse is during and after the fall of the Western Roman Empire. Their climate decreased in temperature, which reduces crop yields, which weakened the empire and encouraged migration from northern Europe, which brought their collapse (plus like 12 other things lol).

In 535AD, during Justinian's reign in the east, the first black plague happened following a supermassive volcano that left the sky covered in ash blocking the sun. This was a massively ecologically damaging period of history and it caused the death of countless plant and animal life, along with the deaths of half the population of the Mediterranean.

It's not like people of this age were taking soil samples and references trends or whatever, but they certainly understood how things were going poorly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The greatest and silent generations saw some shit

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

scientifically proven ecological collapse

This is a pretty specific thing, but the general "we're all doomed" vibe is definitely not unique to today. Boomers and older had the threat of nuclear annihilation looming over them, and before that... well, disease and famine and death and destruction due to war have historically been the norm.

Imagine how you'd feel living in the Americas in the 16th or 17th centuries and either watching the destruction wrought by European settlers firsthand or, maybe worse, watching your peers die en masse of the diseases introduced by those settlers. Imagine living in Eurasia in the 13th century and watching the Mongol army sweep through.

None of this is to say that today's challenges aren't real and serious. Just that we're not the first to face such challenges.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think the doom is real, but we're all looking at it through 6" x 3" magnifying glasses that condense all the shit into one giant nugget, and then the easy thing is to comment on that nugget because, well it's right there, and last winter was unseasonably warm and there were some pretty catastrophic wildfires, and the ocean is doing weird shit, and it's easy to think that that's all there is, but you can still take a walk in the woods on a sunny day, and say hi to some people, and maybe make a friend.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, they literally thought WW1 and WW2 would start the apocalypse.

Nuclear armageddon was a daily fear of the Cold War, and almost happened several times.

The difference now is that we know all we need to do to ruin Earth for human life is to do nothing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

This is an interesting perspective, because in previous generations most of the long term fears were settled by simply doing nothing. They held their breath and it worked out.

The key difference is that the current generations are acutely aware that if we do nothing and just "stay calm and carry on", we're totally fucked. Inaction isn't going to save us this time. We can't put our heads in the sand and just sing ourselves to sleep then expect a good outcome when we resurface.

I think that's a key differentiator. Previous generations were fearful of something happening. Current generations are fearful of nothing happening, because if nothing happens then the world will become uninhabitable by humans.

Yet, the majority of the decision-makers in our society are silent generation/boomers that drove to success by inaction and they're largely doing nothing. We see this and understandably know how fucked we are.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My GenX existential horror was learning in my thirties that all the western American Exceptionalism ideology I was indoctrinated in as a kid was just a way of keeping us from getting proactive for sake of the future generations, and my parents and teachers and ministers knew this and actively lied to me anyway.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Conservatives are well known for acting against their own self interest.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I also think that a lot of bad things about the US that a blind eye was turned to because they seemed to be getting better have since become relevant again because they've started getting worse

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