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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

The problem with that strategy is that moderate Republicans don't watch the news. They believe that all other Republicans are just like them and hold all the same beliefs, because all their friends are in the same echo chamber. So then they believe all Republican politicians are the same way. They intentionally don't pay attention to the news because it is full of sensationalism and depressing things they can't personally control like terrorism and mass shootings. They still believe it's important to vote, because that's the patriotic thing to do, and they can just fill the bubbles next to every name marked REP and not have to worry about doing research and learning facts. It's just the easy way and they've lived their whole lives doing things the easy way because of white privilege and generational wealth, but any low points in their lives they will consider to be "hardship" so they "know" that anyone living in poverty is just not trying hard enough, because they personally made it through that "struggle" with barely more than the average effort they usually contribute to anything.

How do I know this? I was raised in a family that is exactly how I described here. The only reason I'm not just like them is that I went to public school and made friends with kids who did not come from the same background. It took about 17 years to finally see all the flawed logic and head-in-sandness before finally breaking free and forging my own path based on my own beliefs.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I mean, there's a whole lot that went wrong, but the big one was subverting the democratic process with primaries that didn't really pick a popular candidate (2016 and 2024).

The primaries are the time for the candidate to energize a base of support. Harris has never energized anybody, and it was silly to think that affection for Biden would carry her.

Conservatives vote in force to signal their loyalty to their chosen community.

Progressives stay home when they perceive that their community doesn't chose them. Harris' vote totals at the end of this will sit somewhere below Biden 2020, for that reason.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

I wouldn't leave 2020 out. Having politicians ahead of Joe Biden pull out to endorse him ahead of super Tuesday was really irregular and didn't result in a good candidate either

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

Yup. Democratic leadership would rather trump win than run a left-facing campaign and candidate. What's the definition of insanity?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Democratic leadership has to call corporate donors before they can make any decisions

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

The Democratic Party is basically dead now. Time to sit back and watch the MAGAs eat themselves. Clock ticking.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I can't believe the Dick Cheney fans forgot to vote

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Tens, literally tens of voters Liz Cheney brought to the table.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

If the Republicans are going to call the Democrats communists and socialist regardless of how moderate a campaign Democrats run, Democrats might as well lean further left on economic policy. Appealing to the right does nothing because the right can appeal to the right better than the center-left can

@leftism

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Which is precisely why they don't. They don't exist to threaten the establishment, they are part of it, and are there to provide the illusion of choice so that the public feel like we're helping while those in power do whatever they need to at our expense to keep that power. Playing by the rules and within the systems they have set out for us can and will only ever maintain the status quo.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

None of that will work anymore. The far right owns the house, the senate, the government enforcement agencies, and the Supreme Court. We're nearing the end of the monopoly game and you don't get anything extra for landing on free parking. The restraints for any of the rich and powerful just got taken off.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Pretty much this. The Business Plot succeeded, it just took another 100 years. Now they have their Mussolini-like strongman, and a fully captured legislative and judicial system, all without a March on Rome.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

I'm sure them supporting and paying to kill women and children didn't help either, and that their online cult acted almost as fascist as the person they claimed they were trying to stop.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

Nobody is under the illusion that Trump is better for the situation in Gaza than Harris.

But, too many left-leaning voters feel they have to "take a stand" by staying home or voting third party. I have several friends who did exactly that, even though it's abundantly clear that staying home is effectively a vote for Trump.

Meanwhile, NOBODY on the conservative side is doing that shit. It's been true since the Reagan era, the conservatives put aside any personal distaste they have, and they get behind their candidate.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

Almost like Kamala could have changed her stance on the situation and got those people out to vote for her. But sure, let's blame people not willing to hold their nose and vote for more genocide.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (28 children)

and that their online cult acted almost as fascist as the person they claimed they were trying to stop.

Yeah, like how Harris fans were talking about people poisoning the blood of the country and their plans about deporting millions of people, which would require concentration camps. And then there's the Democratic party's genocidal persecution of queer people.

Basically no difference at all.

I don't want to leave this country, but I'm so fucking glad I'll get away from these sort of stupid lies.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It doesn't matter what country you go as long as it is a two party corporatocracy and the "left" is parading around with war-mongering neocons, supporting genocide, censoring and astroturfing social media for people point it out, etc... then you'll get the same result.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Oh that's fine. It's a three party corporatocracy in England. Plus the corporatocracies in other parts of Britain.

But they know what fascism is and they know that what Harris' supporters wanted wasn't fascism. So I'm happy to be going there.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm a progressive that is against fascism and genocide, but the number of Democrats that censored me and called me a fascist has me convinced that many of them are perfectly content with fascism as long as it is their fascism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What, exactly, is "their fascism?"

"Censoring" you on a non-government website has nothing to do with fascism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Censoring people, especially when they're telling the truth, so you can control the narrative through gaslighting and lies is pretty fascist in my book.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Then you need to learn what fascism is. And from someone who lived through a brutal fascist regime:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur-Fascism

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You don't know me. There are many elements of fascism. Several things in that link you just posted describe the Democrat party.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

True. I don't know you. However, I do know you didn't live through Mussolini's Italy unless you are an extremely old man.

Umberto Eco did. He experienced fascism directly. You're now acting like you know about it better than he did. That's quite silly.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Are you an extremely old man? Who are you to pretend to know it better than anyone else? Texts help people understand the times, but don't encapsulate the experience or the nuances involved. I'm referring to what America, myself included, is going through now. Democrats didn't have to lose this election. Their choices are why they lost. And I stand by what I said, many of the characteristics of fasicsm in the link you posted sound an awful-lot like the Democratic party, admittedly not as radical as those of the Republicans.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well I must admit I’ve never met someone who is arrogant enough to claim they know more about fascism than someone who lived through Mussolini’s regime. I suppose you also know more about the Holocaust than a survivor of Auschwitz.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

If you want to refer to fascism only as it relates to Mussolini's regime, then 99% of people using the word in America have no concept of the word. I'm referring to modern day fascism here in America.

Nor do I claim that I know more. I'm giving my perspective and opinion on the matter as people online frequently do, and sometimes they turn out to be accurate. I wouldn't want corporate news as they frequently do to say, "Here we have a survivor of Auschwitz, the sole authority of Nazism to tell you why Kamala is a Nazi. Everything they say must be true and you can't question it."

Would you want that?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No, you’re referring to being butthurt because some of your posts got deleted which means fascism.

Which is such a privileged position that I am honestly astounded.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Is Trump a fascist to you, and if so why did you help him get elected? Do you think when you censor other people online and berate them, especially when they want progressive policies and peace, that it somehow helps you?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Please explain exactly how I helped Trump get elected. Specifically what did I do?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No, you’re referring to being butthurt because some of your posts got deleted which means fascism. Which is such a privileged position that I am honestly astounded.

Again, I ask...

Do you think when you censor other people online and berate them, especially when they want progressive policies and peace, that it somehow helps you?

You indicate that Trumpism is fascism. The concept of attacking people that help you because they're not blindly loyal is one of the elements of fascism in the link you posted, and one of the reasons Kamala lost. Are you saying you never did that? That you welcomed third parties and showed them that you were willing to push for Kamala to change her positions up until the election?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Are you saying you never did that?

You tell me. You are the one pointing the finger. Show your evidence. Or was it a lie?

That you welcomed third parties and showed them that you were willing to push for Kamala to change her positions up until the election?

Why is that my job? I was not part of her campaign and I am not a member of her party.

Now, let's see your evidence.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why is that my job? I was not part of her campaign and I am not a member of her party.

Why are you even bothering to respond at all then? Why claim that I'm butthurt that comments were removed and privileged for saying that Democrats also lean towards fascism?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Because I don't like liars.

And you have now lied about me too. Why did you lie about me?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I see question marks, not statements about you. Do you need a Wikipedia link that explains question marks?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes. You did use a question mark here.

Is Trump a fascist to you, and if so why did you help him get elected?

That is what is known as one of these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

Because you are, within that loaded question, accusing me of helping Trump get elected. Which is a lie.

So I guess this would be lie #3.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If you're not American, and played no role in inorganically trying to elevate Democrats by attacking others for pointing out or diminishing Kamala's alignment with the neocons, genocidal support and pro-establishment messaging, then I'm sorry. My intention isn't to lie about anyone and would be no better than what I want to fight against.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm not in your country, but already have Timewarp tagged as "Trump talking point maniac" for some time. Just so you know the lies are available abroad too.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I know they are, but less so. Or at least hopefully less so about America. I'll have to deal with all new lies in Britain.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Yay oligarchy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

What % of total voters is a "registered republican"?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

There’s no way to know exactly. Some states don’t disclose the voter registration statistics. North Dakota doesn’t even require party registration to vote.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why is this third considered to be representative of the "moderate republican"?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Look, I just got my coffee, it's four am, and you are asking me to effectively explain the previous 40 years of American politics to you.

I want to trust that you are asking in good faith, and that you deserve an explanation here, but I'm burnt out in the equivocation right now. So just give me a small signal that my time isn't wasted here and I can explain this to you .

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'm sorry. To me it seemed like something the more politically involved voter would do.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don’t think that’s the response they were after.

You could have tried something like:

I can appreciate you’re tired and I think we’re all a little exhausted after this election cycle. I am definitely interested in learning your perspective on this and opening myself up to other viewpoints.

See I acknowledged OPs comment and tried to explain my motivations for the question. You, on the other hand, you called them out for rightfully wanting to value their time.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

That's alright. Simply trying to understand the relationship between that graph, and the conclusion the author took from that.

But I see now that this might not be the appropriate crowd to help me understand.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Sure, everyone is downvoting you but you can’t be the constant here and it must be this entire community.

Perhaps someone more eloquent than me can come along and explain why your approach fell on deaf ears.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

But Dick Cheney! Dick Cheney!

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