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A 15-year-old boy was sentenced to life in prison for fatally stabbing a stranger, Muhammad Hassam Ali, after a brief conversation in Birmingham city center. The second boy, who stood by, was sentenced to five years in secure accommodation. Ali’s family expressed their grief, describing him as a budding engineer whose life was tragically cut short.

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 2 months ago (11 children)

This is genuinely disappointing. I understand the need for punishment, but unless there is therapy, a path to recovery and reintegration into society, we're just housing more and more people without a future.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think punishment comes first when it comes to murder though

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Is there any data showing that this is more effective for reducing future violent crime?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Taking a murderer off the streets?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I mean for other people. Of course we can reduce crime if everyone is imprisoned.

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[–] [email protected] 128 points 2 months ago (9 children)

I'm sorry, but at 15 you're old enough to know that stabbing a stranger to death is wrong.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

This implies some sort of racism or hate crime, not a random attack. There may be something more that needs to be done

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Sure but what's even the point of a youth Justice system if you're gonna say that and try every kid as an adult?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (41 children)

A youth justice system is for dealing with kids and teens who shoplift, or break noise ordinances, or run away from home, or abuse illicit substances, or any number of "boundary exploring" behaviors.

A youth justice system is not the appropriate venue for dealing with "kids" so lacking in moral fiber as to deliberately and maliciously kill another person.

The tolerance we have for "youthful indiscretion" does not and should not extend to this degree of violence. A youth justice system is not an appropriate venue for those determined to be fundamentally irredeemable.

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 2 months ago

Youth justice is for the many nuanced & lower stakes scenarios. Stealing a car, breaking windows, shoplifting/petty theft, getting into fights, drug abuse/addiction, arson, criminal mischief, etc.

Not stabbing strangers to death.

You can't equate the two.

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