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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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According to the news source, some of the posts stated, “I am sorry. If you support the Democratic Party, I will not help you” and “The problem is that I know which of you supports the Democratic Party, and I will not help you survive the end of days.”

In another post, according to WHIO, Rodgers wrote that people would need to “provide proof of who you voted for” before rendering aid.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Daily reminder police in USA don't have to do anything to protect people

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/do-the-police-have-an-obligation-to-protect-you/

The answer is no.

In the 1981 case Warren v. District of Columbia, the D.C. Court of Appeals held that police have a general "public duty," but that "no specific legal duty exists" unless there is a special relationship between an officer and an individual, such as a person in custody.

The U.S. Supreme Court has also ruled that police have no specific obligation to protect. In its 1989 decision in DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services, the justices ruled that a social services department had no duty to protect a young boy from his abusive father. In 2005'sCastle Rock v. Gonzales, a woman sued the police for failing to protect her from her husband after he violated a restraining order and abducted and killed their three children. Justices said the police had no such duty.

Most recently, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit upheld a lower court ruling that police could not be held liable for failing to protect students in the 2018 shooting that claimed 17 lives at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

sounds like someone needs a psych eval before they get their badge back.

"end of days" doesn't ring through as a person with their full mental faculties at their disposal.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

He sure has been happy taking money from the government throughout the Biden administration though

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The “end of days”? So sick of these deranged religious fanatics.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

The end of days for Trump's political career hopefully

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

Yeah that's not actually how a "job" works, Bubba.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Politically motivated threat of violence? What was the term for this again?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

mentally ill lone wolf!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Don't they need to take some kind of Oath?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Oath, shmoath, they're getting a paycheck. I never took an oath to write good software, but I did it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It has been found in court that police have no responsibility whatsoever to serve or protect the public.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Fire his ass and replace him with someone who takes his oath of office seriously.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

sure. wait on government to fix the problem.

OR

take the matter into your own hands. we'd have fixed the police problem by now if they were scared of us.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

That will never happen.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

As soon as a democrat voter has an issue woth a police response, all they have to do is claim bias.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

I’ll bet every convict that went to prison after being arrested by this guy now has a reason to get their case reviewed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Conservatism should immediately disqualify a candidate from any position of authority.

Conservatism + Power = Fascism

This has been true throughout all of human history.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Sheriff should absolutely not be elected.

This is why.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Do you vote for lieutenants as well?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

No, but it is easier to shield shit like this if the position is elected, vs just having to comply with policy as a general employee

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

After your implying that what was a suitable system for an 1850s border town is somehow not ideal for a city in the 21st century? What kind of far left radical are you?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Police telling Democrats they won't help them in case of Emergency is PROOF that DEMOCRATS need to TONE DOWN Their Rhetoric!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

Sounds like non-Republicans need to start forming their own armed networks to protect each other if existing "Law Enforcement" refuses to.

I tell people as often as I can, especially my trans and bipoc friends; now is the time. Get a couple guns (a long one and a short one) and learn how to use them. Learn some basic first aid, you really just need to know how to stabilize someone. Start networking with like-minded people in your communities. The police will not protect us, they’ve proven they’ll happily club senior citizens to the ground and shoot any protesters in the face with rubber bullets while escorting a rightwing murderer to safety.

Iran was a secular, liberal state until almost 1980 when they (mostly legitimately) elected an Islamist theocracy; it could happen here.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Cops never helping anyone to begin with aside...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

They always help the wealthy, unless the harm was against another wealthy person and then it comes down to connections.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

Gee, let's see how this plays out [FTA]:

Chief Deputy Mike Young sent a statement to the news station that said, in part, the Office agrees the comments made were highly inappropriate and do not reflect the Sheriff’s Office’s delivery of service to all residents, regardless of their voting preference. He stated that the station and Lt. Rodgers would work especially hard to regain the public’s trust.

"Lt. Rodgers would work especially hard to regain the public's trust." As in, 'regain it in the future'? So, pretty much no consequences then.

It is also suggested that a possible medical issue is involved in Rodgers’ actions.

Of course there's some kind of excuse - that's not what I meant, you're taking it out of context, you're twisting my words - or, in this case where there's no ambiguity, 'It must have been the drugs - but only the legal drugs, not any illegal drugs that might impact my career!'

WHIO obtained an investigative file and discovered in an inter-office communication with supervisors that Rodgers wrote, “I do not remember writing these posts or deleting any posts.”

Of course he doesn't. If he "remembered", he'd have to explain why he didn't clean them up afterward.

The file also indicates that Rodgers is prescribed sleeping medication, which Rodgers documented, “It does cause some of my communication to be ‘out of character’ which is a documented side effect.”

Here's the thing: afaik, sleep aids don't change your character, they just remove filters, so it's likely be does feel this way and just doesn't want to face the consequences of what he says. Secondly, again, he didn't clean it up afterward. If you know it 'causes some communication to be out of character', then wtf aren't you double-checking what's been posted? And aren't the posts written a little too coherently for someone spaced out on sleep meds?

According to WHIO, the Sheriff’s Office apologized for Rodgers’ behavior and said he received a written reprimand for violating the department’s social media policy and will remain on duty.

Oh, no! Not a one hour meeting and a written reprimand! The horrors!!

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