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...sometimes it does feel like this.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (15 children)

Are we growing though?

https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/stats shows MAU (monthly active users) decreasing - we are now at 43k, last month was 45k, the month before 47k, etc. Total servers also decreasing - now 540, was 552, 579, etc. Overall posts and comments are slightly up though - so we're seeing increased activity from fewer users, rather than an increase in actual users. One could argue whether we're truly "decreasing" vs. merely flat, but either way I don't see us increasing.

And 3 of those users are myself, all active and only 2 of which I had a week ago, speaking to how alts are most definitely a thing. Also, federation issues especially staying in sync with Lemmy.World may be causing people to shift instances (or to leave entirely?). If so that would be a good thing bc 0.19.6 promises to help address that. (Although in my case, I wanted an instance that allows custom blocks of any instance I choose without needing to rely on an admin team, and that isn't dependent upon the Lemmy codebase.)

For one thing, people might be turning away due to the upcoming USA election, in which case depending on who survives that, they could return? But every person I've ever recommended to check out Lemmy has looked at me in disgust and actively chided me for having recommended it when they see some of the political extremism here. e.g.:

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Whenever I go looking for examples of such I usually find it in 0-60 seconds, by going to Lemmy.ml and browsing by Local.

Your instance is doing wonderful work keeping such out - I wonder if that image will even render for you:-). But overall, across the wide Fediverse, people are not willing to put up with such, and seem to be leaving us overall rather than find some other way to deal with whatever it is that was bugging them.

And with such trends, and the way we treat normies, I don't see us ever going mainstream. Maybe PieFed and Sublinks, along with Mbin and ofc Tesseract on e.g. dubvee.org will help turn that around? That would be so nice?:-)

Btw what will we call ourselves then, if it does - will we still be "Lemmy"/Lemmings, or just general Fedizens? Either way there's great hope for the future, but also a lot of work to do to reach that point.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wasn't really looking at the MAU stats when I made this; it just felt like it's been more actively lately (both good and bad). Unfortunate the numbers are actually trending downward.

For one thing, people might be turning away due to the upcoming USA election

Possibly. I've gone into self-imposed ~~social~~ media blackouts during election season many a time. Sometimes you just need a break.

Whenever I go looking for examples of such I usually find it in 0-60 seconds, by going to Lemmy.ml and browsing by Local ... people are not willing to put up with such, and seem to be leaving us

Yeah. I have felt for a while that ml being the official or at least de facto flagship instance is doing more harm than good. I'm not going to tell them how to run their instance, but I am sad and frustrated that it seems to turn so many people away under the impression the whole fediverse is like that.

I'm cool with Fedizens πŸ˜€.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

At least not everyone is toxic online.

Source: ex-Redditor of 16 years

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

I think I was on Reddit for 12 (?), but I wasn't nearly as active there as I am here.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 months ago (11 children)

It took me a couple months to fully leave years of bad reddit habits behind. I didn’t realize how deeply ingrained they’d become. The toxicity had gradually snuck up on me.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

this

Shit! Still happening to me.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, well, fuck you too.

Aww man, it's still happening to me!

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Happens to the best of us.

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[–] [email protected] 138 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Hey, we left cause of the enshitification of Reddit itself, toxicity of the users was always part of the package deal.

[–] [email protected] 107 points 2 months ago (16 children)

As a Reddit refugee myself,I can't disagree with that. But I will clarify that there's generally two kinds of Reddit Refugees, though:

  • The kind that got fed up with Reddit and wants to be part of something better
  • The people who were banned from Reddit and think this is some kind of safe haven to continue acting on their worst impulses that got them banned elsewhere.

The meme is largely referencing the latter.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 2 months ago (4 children)

You'll find that anywhere. Not just on the Internet, either. Literally, everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

It's more easily expressed when people don't have to directly face the sensitivity of the other humans. For example, from inside a car, in an online competitive game or an online forum.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

looks at pot plant

😠

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

True, but Reddit had the right conditions for toxicity to grow and begin to run rampant. Lemmy, with its decentralized nature, should limit the spread of any toxic communities.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You should check out Facebook, Twitter, IRC, NextDoor, 4chan, 9gag, or any other Internet forum (including comment sections of news articles). Reddit does not hold exclusive rights to any β€œright conditions for toxicity to grow”.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Yeah, there's lots of places with rampant toxicity. I was just comparing reddit and lemmy, and I consider the Federated nature of lemmy to help prevent (not necessarily stop) toxicity from growing.

I'm not an expert on this whole Federated thing, but to me, it sounds like if one community is having problems with another, they can just disassociate and not have to deal with it anymore.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I dont think it will limmits it at all it will spread so u end uo wirh multiple communities for the same thibg with different flavours of toxicity. We already have that with world news ie the .ml flavour of toxicity vs the other instances with differing flavours

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The .ml situation predates the whole reddit thing, no?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago
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