If this is what it takes to sink Trump's ship then I'll fully give up on ever making sense of anything ever again.
Don't get me wrong, that shit show was a national embarrassment, but it wasn't surprising.
Whatever. Vote, folks.
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Saying that whatever Trump does is political suicide misses the biggest issue with this election-
Nobody cares what either of them say because an awful lot of the electorate simply isn't listening.
The Trump voters would keep voting for Trump even if he joined the Nazi party. The rest of voters have either tuned out or are pushing Kamala simply because she's not Trump so she must be better.
An awful lot of people have just made up their minds and aren't listening for anything new.
So having a headline that Trump says something offensive is news to nobody. What would have been political suicide a decade or two ago is business as usual today. Whatever standards we once have politicians to, we no longer hold them to.
Nothing is political suicide for Trump. He was right when he said he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and he wouldn't lose any supporters. His followers are a cult and the only way they would stop following him is if he somehow turned brown or black.
He even said "take the guns now, proper process later" ad didn't even lost NRA support
Obviously. The NRA is a racist organization more than a gun one if you actually scrutinize it.
If you still think anything trump could do is political suicide, you are too naive to be writing about politics.
It's the Daily Beast, afterall. Not even Wikipedia considers them reliable.
On the contrary, this is actually the strategy to win the swing voters. Some of them just need to be haters and they win bigly.
Saying that you could stand out in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot somebody dead I did not affect your campaign should equally have been political suicide.
Political suicide is dead.
not a lot of voters will actually hear about this
Not to mention we're probably getting close to a third already casting their vote.
That man is politically immortal. There is nothing he can do to "commit political suicide".
He can lose, repeatedly. But that doesn't really end Trumpism. It just mutates the brand into Republicans who can pitch themselves as "winners".
A big problem with Lincoln Project Republicanism is that it doesn't refute the fundamental fascist tenants of Trumpism (the xenophobia, the white nationalist Christiandom, anti-Democratic sentiments). They just pitch Trump as on the wrong side of foreign policy (not hawkish enough on Russia or China).
So we end up with Trump on one end and Ted Cruz on the other, as our range of conservative options.
aka "We've got Trump and Trump Lite, which would you prefer?"
Do you guys have trump zero?
Well what's the difference?
Same calories Same awful foam Same horrible aftertaste Same miserable aroma
But the light version says the quiet part quietly.
Things have definitely changed and there's republicans agitating to just blow it all up and start over. The old party wasn't great but it was at least loyal.
there’s republicans agitating to just blow it all up and start ove
There are Republicans who lost their primaries and want their seats back. But they aren't going to throw away Reaganism to defeat Trumpism.
Everyone calls it Reagan, but he just did what Republicans were saying they wanted for decades already. In fact I'm not sure where the Republicans could fall back to ideologically. Ever since the Dixie Flip they've pretty much built their entire party around racism and religious extremism.
In fact I’m not sure where the Republicans could fall back to ideologically.
At the heart of every Republican is a British Tory who desperately wants an American King.
Ever since the Dixie Flip they’ve pretty much built their entire party around racism and religious extremism.
Republicanism, even back to Lincoln, was a theory of Industrial expansion. Modern Republicans simply have nowhere else to expand into.
Racism and religious extremism are about re-colonizing the interior a second time, with a smaller and more "pure" cohort of settlers.
But without the large locus of dense population like the party had when it was dominant in the metropoles, that's increasingly difficult to accomplish.
What the GOP needs is a new Mecca (or, perhaps, a New New York). A large, population dense center of power to expand out of again. Maybe they've found that in Salt Lake City. Maybe they've found it in the increasingly right wing Texas capital of Austin. Or in Silicon Valley. Or in Tel Aviv. Maybe they'll rediscover New York (Eric Adams and Andrew Cuomo certainly suggest fascism still plays well in the Big Apple).
But Settler Colonialism 2 is the dream.
A new Mecca? The f'n MAGATs should shove off to Moscow.
That's an interesting way to look at it. I'm not sure they need a single city though, the analogy kind of falls apart if you take it too far. But the whole restricting voting rights to white Christian men married with kids could certainly be described as a new form of colonialism. It's essentially apartheid, and that was an outgrowth of colonialism.
I came to say something like "too bad this guy is a zombie, smells like one too."
Exactly. Just like the other hundreds of disqualifying things.
Oh come on "journalists", please stop with this "end of the Republican party" bullshit.
None of this will kill the white supremacist party because forty percent of America is still identifying as white supremacist and another ten percent literally can't tell the difference between someone quoting Hitler and someone Hitler was a genocidal asshole that shouldn't be looked up to and those morons vote in Pennsylvania.
The Republican party is perfectly fine after this yet another time example of Republicans being Nazi sympathizers holding a major public really where they proudly proclaim their White Nationalist opinions and agenda.
I think the only hope for getting rid of this bullshit strain of conservatism here and across the world is that they hold the same beliefs in the next global pandemic.
My thoughts exactly. Every election cycle, there are a slew of "Republican voters won't be able to stomach THIS latest revelation!" articles. Then the Republicans dhed less than a rounding error of their voter base while picking up a nearly equal amount of votes from neo-Nazis or the like.
The party of immoral hypocrisy, "shockingly", doesn't care about the morality of their candidate so long as they "hurt the right people".
I caught the tail end of the story on NPR about how he apologized for one of the jokes and I just assumed it was one of the Nazi Rally jokes and was like "wow the nazi thing is finally getting some traction" but no it was the Puerto Rico thing.
I cannot express how ready I am for this shit to go away.
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