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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/17869503

I know I'm going against the grain here, I'm obviously no Harris lover, but also I'd prefer to be allowed to continue existing. If that's controversial in leftist spaces then maybe I don't want to spend any more time in leftist spaces.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I made another post and comments about this in leftymemes to go against some of this rhetoric everyone is pushing, and wouldn't you know... my comments are being removed. I'm glad the left is suppressing trans voices now, I feel so seen 🥰

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago

Yup, turns out I'm proper banned xD

Honestly idgaf anymore, hope they have fun in their echobubble.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (14 children)

I mostly lurk and prefer to not get involved in politics, but GOOD GOD I'M SO GLAD I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO FEELS THIS WAY. It's so exhausting.

What sucks is that voting isn't swearing a blood oath that turns you into a slave of neoliberalism and prevents you from doing direct action: you can do both. Voting isn't going to save Palestinians (and it's a bitter pill to swallow, I know), but it's going to save lots of other vulnerable minorities (who never really asked to be born in the imperial core!), and still provide breathing room for direct action that can help Palestine.

Like... even if you don't care about the safety of trans people, pragmatically speaking it's immensely easier to organize as leftists in a neoliberal regime than it is in a fascist regime. Just look at what happened to the KPD when they proclaimed "first Hitler, then it's our turn". (Yes, the SPD backstabbed them during Weimar - RIP Rosa Luxemburg - but that pales to the Nazis basically rounding them all up and sending them to the gas chambers!) I don't want history to repeat. Please don't let it repeat.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Who is voting Republican down-ballot over Gaza for this take to function?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

down-ballot

Are these residents of Dearborn also calling for voting out Rashida Tlaib or going for Rogers over Slotkin on the issue?

Or is it just the presidential race? The article doesn't even mention any of them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2024/10/arab-americans-are-evenly-split-between-harris-and-trump-will-it-matter

The Arab American Institute poll also found that, by a slight majority (46% to 43%), Arab American voters say they would prefer to see Republicans control the next Congress beginning in January.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago (7 children)

I think it's more the third party voters (which effectively are Republican voters, by taking away Dem votes). And abstainers, which, ditto.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago

Third party votes and abstainers for the presidency are by no measures 'taking away' votes from anyone.

It only can be that way if there are zero Republican voters voting third party or abstaining for any reason. We know this isn't true. The Democratic Party's express electoral strategy is to appeal to and attract those voters, ostensibly at a greater return rate than voters they turn off or drive to third parties.

It's a risky strategy and it failed once before in 2016.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Libs: Voting is just the start

Also libs: If you dont blindly support Kamala you're a Russian bot, also how dare you protest it makes me very uncomfortable. Shut up and let us sign this bipartisan legislation with fascists.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

You’re trying to explain liberal behavior with logic. That was your first mistake.

“A vote for not Harris is a vote for Trump”, lmao. Absolutely laughable. Just like how Biden is the only viable candidate and a vote for Harris is a vote for Trump, right?

You know what it’s called when you’re not allowed to vote for anyone but one person?

As if Dems who have enabled the Overton ratchet for the past 50 years will give a shit about trans folk. Because clearly the current Dem admin has taken so much action against anti-trans violence and discrimination.

The same Dems who are running to the fascists as fast as possible. The same Dems enthusiastically supporting a literal genocide. The same Dems bragging about filling their cabinet with literal republicans. The same Dems who are receiving endorsements from absolute right wing war hawk neoliberal ghouls and bragging about it.

I guess y’all are just going to prove the leftists were correct again.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If you are not voting for Kamala, you are supporting Trump. That logic is pretty easy to follow.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago

I wish I lived in a world that simple.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Communists wish they had the power and influence that liberals keep implying that they have.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Trans tankies be like:

They sure have a lot more faith in the Democrats' moral compass than we do.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do you have more faith in Trump's?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

Trump isn't going to be president next year, I'm more worried about the Democrats.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Did trump drop out of the race? Because from what I gather it's still a very close race that can end up being decided by the supreme court.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (8 children)

The fix has been in since Biden dropped out, all that remains is to see what sort of stochastic terrorism Trump's supporters get up to once reality starts settling in.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

The US voting system is undemocratic and a huge percentage of the population seems to be out of their mind. Trump winning is still a very real danger.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Telling people in danger that their attempts to save themselves are contemptible is nothing but cynical callousness.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's children whining about how life is unfair but instead of actually trying to do something about it now, they'd rather feel smugly superior as they do fuckall and "wait for the revolution" or whatever.

Do I believe positive change is quick or easy? Fuck no. It's hard work and it takes a ton of us working together. I harbor no illusions that my own singular voice will ever matter on a large scale, and I will happily take up my arms to defend the rights of those whose only crime is existing while lgbtq+/poc/whatever, but I'm gonna vote and campaign and everything I can do in the meantime.

Whether we're headed for a cliff as a species or not is irrelevant, I don't feel the need to hit the gas or sit back while mocking the people who are trying to stop the bus.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago

This 100%, I actually own firearms in the event I might have to defend myself from a fascist takeover. BUT I'D REALLY RATHER NOT THINGS COME TO THAT. I don't want to ever have to use them, so you can bet your ass I voted for Harris to try and prevent that scenario as much as possible.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Yeah, people who see the long list of minorities that would be negatively affected by a Trump presidency and insist that there is no difference between the candidates are telling on themselves: Who gets the presidency would make no difference - for them. And they have no empathy for anybody else.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (4 children)

It’s as if voting wasn’t the one single thing you could do as a citizen.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

It a pretty easy and very impactfull thing to do... so go vote first and the do whatever else you are suggesting after.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And does voting stop you doing the other things?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago

It does if you treat it like the media does, billions of dollars in campaign coverage in the year leading up to election day and then nothing until it's time to do it all over again.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It IS the only one that can't be twisted by media interpretation, demonized and attacked with military and police, or straight up ignored.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Well, except for all the ways that voting is broken and doesn't work. Gerrymandering and the electoral college and what not. And how your options are conservative neoliberal genocide supporter or outright neo fascist.

You couldn't vote for an actual progressive candidate if you wanted to. The entire American political system is designed to prevent that exact thing from happening.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The details of who you vote for are another discussion. I'm simply saying voting is the only thing you can do that is guaranteed to contribute to the direction the government goes in, no matter how small. All other activity is important, but not guaranteed to result in anything.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I dont think voting itself is harmful on it's own, no. I do understand why Palestinian Americans will not vote for people committing acts of genocide against them. And more to the point, I just recognize that this is a death spiral of western democracy right? The Democratic party is unwilling to do literally anything that would interrupt the neoliberal status quo of America. This aligns them with conservatives. They fight back against workers rights and protect the military industrial complex. The Democratic party has done shockingly little to ever actually fight back against Trumpism and modern fascists in America. They could have done significantly more, but many of those actions would jeaopardize american neoliberalism. It's their priority to preserve it.

What I'm saying is, even if Kamala wins, we will be back here in 4 more years. Each time losing more ground to fascists because elected officials will do little more than token gestures to stop them. I hope she is elected, and I hope I'm wrong and she does an aboutface and codifies reproduction rights, codifies queer rights, and dismantles the supreme court and the electoral college. Biden could have done these things too.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The larger of a lead someone wins with, the harder it is for those tactics to work. Please everyone, vote.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago

That's presuming that Kamala has any interest in changing those things. The progressive wearing down of voting rights has continued mostly unabated for the last 50 years. It's not like this state of affairs is new or something.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It's unfortunate that there's a kernel of truth in both! Obviously red guy is bad and if you're thinking in the medium-term of the next five years (the context of the election) then it really is that simple.

I do want to emphasize though that there is a lot that has to be done outside the ballot box. Even if you just want status quo, a Harris government would need to be badgered heavily to actually pass the sort of legislation needed to mitigate the imminent threat of climate change (in addition to most other policy changes you'd want or need).

Climate Man isn't going to swoop down from the sky and save the world. Normal people need to see politics as a proactive, regular part of adulting. If you're planning on voting this year, consider also having the goal of (if able) attending a protest or donating to political organizations you agree with this (or next) year! Lets make government suck less c:

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago

I agree, but my main point is that when I went to vote it took me 11 minutes. 11 minutes to but my voice in the election. And that does not have to be mutually exclusive with political action, I have been involved in action groups (though not as of lately due to me focusing on my studies, but if a Palestine protest starts on my campus you can bet I'll be joining it), and I'm not making the argument that voting is all you should do. Far from it. But, it is something that is quick and easy to do and if enough people do it, it could prevent a fascist government that makes change far more difficult than it is now.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The day after the votes are finished counting, drag is going to become Harris' sworn enemy. Every day until that happens, drag is going to do everything drag can to help her. It's not about being right, it's about doing right.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I hadn't clocked that drag was using "drag" to refer to drag, and thought drag was saying that drag as a hobby was going to become the sworn enemy of Harris. Was super confused for a minute.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Obviously, the real fight only starts once the election is over. But right now the order of the day has to be defeating Trump because everything and I mean absolutely everything will get a lot worse if he wins. Harris will only implement progressive policies if there is grassroots pressure for her to do so. Trump will send the military to deal with grassroots pressure.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If by grassroots pressure you mean "massive social upheaval and widespread protest and civil unrest" then yeah.

But she's always going to support the Palestinian genocide. She's said so herself. There's no circumstances where she will stop funding and arming the IDF.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The Biden administration has given an ultimatum threatening to stop military aid if aid to northern Gaza doesn't increase, with a deadline shortly after the election.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

They've already murdered in large excess of 50 thousand people, likely over a hundred thousand when accounting for missing and undocumented deaths. Nearly a year ago they opened machine gun fire on a crowd of people trying to get flour. It's been a genocide this entire time. He has not stopped military aid. Kamala herself has literally said,

“I will always ensure Israel has the ability to defend itself against Iran and Iran-backed terrorist militias. My commitment to the security of Israel is unwavering,” “When we think about the threat that Hamas, Hezbollah… Iran present, I think that it is without any question, our imperative to do what we can to allow Israel to defend itself against those kinds of attacks,”

She is open about the fact that there do not exist any circumstances where she will stop funding the IDF and the actions of the IDF. Israel has claimed to be "defending itself" for the past year. The Palestinian genocide is what they mean by defending themselves.

I'm trans too. I am horrifically afraid of what a fascist American government can and would do to us. This entire election cycle has been a literal nightmare. We can't just pretend reality is different though, we can't just pretend that the Democratic party have not themselves been active participants in the genocide of a colonized ethnicity in the middle east. It's depressing but it's the truth. They've blocked the ICJ from taking action, they've blocked UN motions to take action, they've consistently worked against recognizing the state of Palestine, and they have funded and armed a genocide.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

“I’m voting for the party that doesn’t actively want to kill me”

“Pfft, classic shitlib take”

I’m tired, boss

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I've literally had someone ask me what makes me think I deserve to live more than Palestinian kids.

This is where we're at.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I don't like the idea of claiming a whole group I disagree with is comprised of bots or paid agents trolling to create division, but at this point, the only plausible alternatives to that are either those people are having a severe martyr complex, or just are so overly privileged that they are divorcing themselves from reality and don't/can't comprehend the consequences of what they're advocating, essentially treating this whole thing like a sports game.

Or maybe both, and are trying to throw trans people, black people, women, etc. under the bus to fuel their martyr complex in their stead.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Right, so that's why we should let the guy who would kill Palestinian kids and trans people win. Equality

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They say as if their position is any better for Palestinians either.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (3 children)

Don't you see, they have absolved themselves of responsibility by making themselves a bystander. Actually pretty smart. When "they" come for us and start looking at the voters rolls these guys will get a pizza party while the rest of us go to gas chambers.

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