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I’m a teacher and our division just “upgraded” to W11 with a new version of outlook that is basically a web app on desktop. Several times a day my laptop comes to a complete crawl while Teams decides to open itself. Can’t open or close programs, Firefox won’t register mouse clicks, nothing. Graphical glitches appear al the time with menu bars and task bars disappearing regularly, requiring force quitting the app or logging out of the desktop.

When I first switched to Linux I assumed my experience would be like this. But now it’s the other way around.

Rant over.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (8 children)

TL; DR
My experience between Windows and Linux is not much different with how often I have issues. But given the choice I much more prefer my Linux experience.

I hate Windows just as much as the next guy, but this comment section smells a little of confirmation bias.

From my experiece (web dev in a mainly MS branded stack) Windows mostly just works. Yes there are horrendous design, UX choices forced upon me, but I can usually force the OS to do what I need and how I need it.

Now comparing it to my home Pop setup it also mostly just works. There are occasional freezes that require a restart and such, but I wouldn't say it's much more different from Windows.

Now what does differ a lot is that I don't need to fight the OS to do shit. It's way better productivitywise, when I know what I'm doing. Which is deffinetly not the case everytime.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

My first job I was using Windows, thankfully I was able to use Linux my next 3 jobs in a row. It really helps justify Linux when our production servers are always running Linux.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I feel the same way about having to use Mac for work and going back to a Linux PC at the end of the day. God damn I hate Mac's UX. From the entire UI, to the CMD key, to the fact that END functions as PGDN and goes to and of page instead of end of line.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

It's bad enough when I have to use a keyboard that moves the pg up/pg dn/home/end keys around. That would absolutely kill my productivity so I'm glad I don't have to use macs.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

I thought outlook had been electron for a while

I've been using the outlook pwa on Linux for some time with no issues, maybe try that instead if it's causing problems for you on windows?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

It is basically http://mail.office365.com in an electron shell. I'm pretty sure all the non 'classic' apps are this way now. I'm currently trying out Thunderbird to see if I like it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Personally I've been using outlook via pwa for months anyway

If they're gonna put it in an electron container anyway you be may as well cut out the middleman and just use the web app Microsoft's ones are actually quite good now

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

You can still use the classic version of Outlook, that comes with latest Office. It is literally called "Outlook (classic)" in the start menu.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Hm. Not sure if it’s because I’ve stuck with gnome and kde. But both definitely freeze often during high I/o or intense processing times.

On multiple machines and multiple distros. It’s one of the most annoying things about it really.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

Yeah, I noticed that on GNOME as well

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Maybe it's because of Wayland, but that hasn't been my experience with KDE. It has been lightning quick lately (though I recently switched to an immutable distro so that could be part of it)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Can't comment on Gnome as I don't use it, but that hasn't been my experience with KDE. Previously running Tumbleweed and now running EndeavourOS

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

When I started my new job I got a pretty unrestricted Windows machine, so I decided to try and use that. WSL is pretty impressive and I managed to work with Emacs and some other tools installed in it until Windows decided stuff should run way slower now. Magit got especially slow doing any git operation.

That weekend I installed Linux (with permission) and it's perfect now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

There was an issue, don't know how relevant now, with WSL 2 that caused awfully slow host filesystem operations. Not sure if it got fixed by now

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago

Yeah no, the experience really is ass.
We use Lenovo IdeaPads at work, a model with an i7 and a Nvidia GPU, and Windows constantly chugs and has weird UI issues, even though the machines are not running heavy software and are on a pretty fresh install.

  • Sometimes when I wake the laptop from sleep, it sits and the lock screen showing my wallpaper and NOTHING else.
    Clicking, typing does nothing, I just have to sit there and wait like 2 minutes until it finally decides to show the input field and let me login again.

  • The Network/Sound/Battery tray flyout frequently stops responding. Only goes back to normal after restarting explorer.exe

  • The internal display has scaling while the external doesn't. So every time you drag a window across it "snags" in between them while the application flickers and struggles to switch the scaling.

  • Switching between virtual desktops is so sloooow, if you use a different wallpaper on each you can literally see Windows struggling to swap the wallpapers in time.
    It's impressive how a native OS feature feels like a third-party kludge.

Great work Microsoft.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

My experience exactly. My current company is rolling out new W11 laptops as the old ones age out.

I'm consistently amazed at how poorly Windows 11 runs on these brand new, $1500 enterprise grade machines. They all have the latest Intel i7 chips, 16GB of DDR5 memory, Nvme 1TB drives, 1440p beautiful screens, and they perform like ass.

Constant lockups, stuttering, slow to wake up, slow to open programs, the fans constantly spin up super loud with almost nothing running in the foreground.

I see frequent GUI glitches and bugs, literally had the WiFi stop working on one yesterday, just wouldn't connect to anything and the tray app wouldn't pop up when clicked. Had to restart the whole computer and log in again to get it to connect.

Meanwhile, the 11 year old retired desktops that I repurposed for internal company resources like Open Project, Uptime Kuma, and Ansible are running plain old Debian with KDE Plasma and are rock solid. They never crash, never freeze up, are always super responsive, and are fast to update. The longest one of them has taken to update was maybe 3 minutes?

Windows on the other hand... Lets just say there's a reason I push updates at the end of the day.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Microsoft is due a terrible release, 7, 8, & 10 were all above average.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

What are you talking about, Windows 8 was a complete shitshow. It wasn't until 8.1 that it became respectable.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

I think Win 8 was a YMMV release. I used it heavily for work, (CAD/CAM) and it ran very well. With no more issues than one expects to get from /windows.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago

Worse, Vista you could wrestle into submission, Windows11 is so deeply embedded with ads, spyware, bloat, and spaghetti code, it's almost impossible to get it clean.

And even when you do, you have to constantly fight to keep it that way. The fact that Windows will change your settings for default apps and privacy preferences without your permission after a major update is absolutely insane and disgusting.

I shouldn't have to constantly be on guard for my OS Which I paid $200 for professional licensing to just sneak its own preferences and settings back to what it wants.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

We’re being forced to move everyone to W11 by the end of the year. It’s gonna be hell.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

My company already did - it was a shitshow and my laptop sucks even more now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Yeah now add Dynamics to all that and you get my day. Eyeroll

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago (1 children)

We have Linux workstations at work.....and these can only be used to access a remote desktop of a Windows 10 virtual machine. 👍

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

My boss told me to get a laptop and I'd be reimbursed, so I got a System76 with Fedora. "How are you going to use (company proprietary software that only works on Windows)?" I told him I could run it on wine (and I have). But he ended up assigning me a Windows 365 cloud, so now I have a very nice laptop that just works, and I only fire up the cloud crap if I really need to.

Suffice it to say that I'm the only upper management member that barely interacts with the IT department, I don't need to 🤣🤣

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