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I’m a teacher and our division just “upgraded” to W11 with a new version of outlook that is basically a web app on desktop. Several times a day my laptop comes to a complete crawl while Teams decides to open itself. Can’t open or close programs, Firefox won’t register mouse clicks, nothing. Graphical glitches appear al the time with menu bars and task bars disappearing regularly, requiring force quitting the app or logging out of the desktop.

When I first switched to Linux I assumed my experience would be like this. But now it’s the other way around.

Rant over.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

For me, at work it's more MS sharepoint and MS dynamic (+oracle clod shit of course) that fk me over on a daily basis - that's possibly due to the way our IT people don't seem to know how to use them or set them up - and won't let us query(just SELECT) the dynamics tables directly using SQL for whatever reason. (i suspect we have to pay MS to acces our own data). And of course things like MS excel being used to mangle data by default all the time - yeah i know always use power query import . . . just everything takes six extra steps and the easy way is always the worst way.

W10 is mostly okay. I mean it's slow and hard to use, blasts the cpu fan all the time, is still annoying with updates, and I have to "right click open with" to open anything in the application that i want (even when there is only one native appllication for the file format). You get used to working around that shit.

That is just not true for sharepoint and other MS apps, it gets worse, and as soon as you think you get used to a workaround for one thing, something else changes or an old thing resurfaces. and dynamic has just "upgraded" the colour scheme of the status colum so that there is no contrast between the background and the text. black text on white background, good enough for every other column, but no upgrade that one to black on dark blue, thanks bill you're a F-ing-C. how do they screw up things like that as a bajillion dollar company.

So I was going to say that W10 is more or less stable and it is other MS stuff that I hate more. that is probably true. but actually sitting down and writing out the above, W10 is still pretty horrible to . . . whether it's our IT or MS itself, it's shit.

I much prefer my home linuxes, it is just as stable (for me) - and just so much easier to use - and most of all it is quieter on the fan. So much more relaxing.

W11 had better be "not worse" or i'll probably have to quit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

For dynamics you have to ask MS for access to the sql back end. Then its granted for several hours as read only. That's why you have to use synapse link to a data lake etc.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

I don't know what a "synapse link" is i'm sure we'd not be allowed access to that; though I can think of at least one manager who would have parrotted that for a few monts if they'd heard it; "data lake" was also one of those for a while, it seems to have given way to "lakehouse" now. I just want to put on concrete boots, jump off the boat and hope it's deep enough.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago

I use both but windows 11 has been generally stable and visual artifact free for me even more than windows 10. Like i have never seen BSOD on 11 yet but on 10 it was regular.

Btw did you tweak it to remove bloat and crapware? Windows will break if you do it even if the bloat removing tool call it stable.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 hours ago

Had the same issue with outlook last weeks. 60% CPU usage, doing nothing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

Going from my laptops to a client's Windows machine feels like I'm stepping back in time, every time.

Even my Win10 VM is light years ahead of Windows 'proper' because of all of the modifications to make it usable.

MS Windows belongs in a museum, not at an office or on a desk.

(hate spewed at me by Adobe Premiere)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago

Guh. Amen to this! I’m in the same boat. Sometimes I just bring a Linux laptop with me to work just to have a break from the work computer.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago

I requested a Windows machine at work a few years ago, because the specs were amazing, and I was getting frustrated with Mac OS. After using the Windows machine for a couple days I was reminded why I don't like Windows anymore, and returned the machine, despite its amazing specs. It just wasn't worth it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

TL; DR
My experience between Windows and Linux is not much different with how often I have issues. But given the choice I much more prefer my Linux experience.

I hate Windows just as much as the next guy, but this comment section smells a little of confirmation bias.

From my experiece (web dev in a mainly MS branded stack) Windows mostly just works. Yes there are horrendous design, UX choices forced upon me, but I can usually force the OS to do what I need and how I need it.

Now comparing it to my home Pop setup it also mostly just works. There are occasional freezes that require a restart and such, but I wouldn't say it's much more different from Windows.

Now what does differ a lot is that I don't need to fight the OS to do shit. It's way better productivitywise, when I know what I'm doing. Which is deffinetly not the case everytime.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

I had lots of issues on Pop. Switched over to Manjaro and its much better for me. Laptop runs cooler, doesnt slow down, etc.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

Pop setup it also mostly just works. There are occasional freezes that require a restart and such

Weird. I used Pop for 3-4 years and not once did it freeze, stutter, or require a restart that wasn't related to an update.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

My first job I was using Windows, thankfully I was able to use Linux my next 3 jobs in a row. It really helps justify Linux when our production servers are always running Linux.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago

Our production servers are all Linux and we have a fully Linux dev stack. My request for a Linux work machine was denied and we have to work in WSL.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 15 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 12 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I feel the same way about having to use Mac for work and going back to a Linux PC at the end of the day. God damn I hate Mac's UX. From the entire UI, to the CMD key, to the fact that END functions as PGDN and goes to and of page instead of end of line.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 14 hours ago

It's bad enough when I have to use a keyboard that moves the pg up/pg dn/home/end keys around. That would absolutely kill my productivity so I'm glad I don't have to use macs.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 21 hours ago

I thought outlook had been electron for a while

I've been using the outlook pwa on Linux for some time with no issues, maybe try that instead if it's causing problems for you on windows?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

It is basically http://mail.office365.com in an electron shell. I'm pretty sure all the non 'classic' apps are this way now. I'm currently trying out Thunderbird to see if I like it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

Yeah my org is about to ban using anything but the outlook client for email access for "security" reasons, and ban all other logins. We're on a Kubernetes cluster, so historically you've been able to login via Thunderbird or use the Gmail web interface as well.

If they go through with it I will riot.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago

Personally I've been using outlook via pwa for months anyway

If they're gonna put it in an electron container anyway you be may as well cut out the middleman and just use the web app Microsoft's ones are actually quite good now

[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

You can still use the classic version of Outlook, that comes with latest Office. It is literally called "Outlook (classic)" in the start menu.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Hm. Not sure if it’s because I’ve stuck with gnome and kde. But both definitely freeze often during high I/o or intense processing times.

On multiple machines and multiple distros. It’s one of the most annoying things about it really.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

Yeah, I noticed that on GNOME as well

[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago

Maybe it's because of Wayland, but that hasn't been my experience with KDE. It has been lightning quick lately (though I recently switched to an immutable distro so that could be part of it)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 20 hours ago

Can't comment on Gnome as I don't use it, but that hasn't been my experience with KDE. Previously running Tumbleweed and now running EndeavourOS

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When I started my new job I got a pretty unrestricted Windows machine, so I decided to try and use that. WSL is pretty impressive and I managed to work with Emacs and some other tools installed in it until Windows decided stuff should run way slower now. Magit got especially slow doing any git operation.

That weekend I installed Linux (with permission) and it's perfect now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

There was an issue, don't know how relevant now, with WSL 2 that caused awfully slow host filesystem operations. Not sure if it got fixed by now

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago

Yeah no, the experience really is ass.
We use Lenovo IdeaPads at work, a model with an i7 and a Nvidia GPU, and Windows constantly chugs and has weird UI issues, even though the machines are not running heavy software and are on a pretty fresh install.

  • Sometimes when I wake the laptop from sleep, it sits and the lock screen showing my wallpaper and NOTHING else.
    Clicking, typing does nothing, I just have to sit there and wait like 2 minutes until it finally decides to show the input field and let me login again.

  • The Network/Sound/Battery tray flyout frequently stops responding. Only goes back to normal after restarting explorer.exe

  • The internal display has scaling while the external doesn't. So every time you drag a window across it "snags" in between them while the application flickers and struggles to switch the scaling.

  • Switching between virtual desktops is so sloooow, if you use a different wallpaper on each you can literally see Windows struggling to swap the wallpapers in time.
    It's impressive how a native OS feature feels like a third-party kludge.

Great work Microsoft.

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