And if Elmo does it again, he'll get an even stronger warning.
It must be nice to live a consequence-free life.
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Investigations take time.
Don't be surprised if Elon is already under investigation in the background
Usually, if Musk's PAC does not comply, the DOJ initiates an investigation phase. Gets a court order to preserve all documents and xoorspondence, etc.
And we've seen that the DOJ is a real stand-up operation the last 8 years, haven't we
Don't know. Ask Jack Smith.
One unspoiled egg in a factory of spoiled eggs doesn't instill in me much hope.
'may' be?. try is
Elon's banking on it not mattering in 3 months.
People joke about strongly worded letters...
He knows. Fucking do something about it
May? How is it not a bribe?
Because it's a lottery you enter when signing a petition. That's it.
That’s still a bribe. You get no chance at all of you don’t sign.
Citizens United and SpeechNow opened the door to this.
THEN FUCKING ARREST HIM.
Jesus. The rule of law is dead.
Maybe people will wake up to understand our system of "law and order" never was meant to serve people, only capital.
Excellent point, comrade.
The Justice Department warned Elon Musk’s America PAC
They can't arrest a PAC.
They can arrest its board.
SovCits destroyed by this one simple trick:
I am a PAC.
I am invincible!
If I did this they'd be beating me with a rubber hose on my front lawn. Why's he get a "warning"?
(I know why)
#IS illegal*, you yellow-bellied felch suckers.
I, for one, am still waiting on the Bill Gates money from all those times I forwarded that email
May be? Are they not sure? Aren't they the guys who should know for sure?
Pussyfooting about something is condoning it. It's the justice department and they can't make a binary yes/no conclusion on the legality of this? "We're warning you that you may get in trouble" is a green light to continue, they said it themselves, it's merely questionable, and Elon Musk has infinite resources to have a legal team spin it all back on the DOJ
Can you make an argument that it's illegal? Chapter and verse, what's the law being violated?
He holding a lottery for petition signers. A first-year law student could fight this.
I'd seriously like to hear from you guys as to the violation here. May be some angle I don't know about.
Okay, I'll make an argument. Here's the law in question per another Lemmy user down below, seen it in several threads already:
52 U.S.C. 10307©: “Whoever knowingly or willfully gives false information as to his name, address or period of residence in the voting district for the purpose of establishing his eligibility to register or vote, or conspires with another individual for the purpose of encouraging his false registration to vote or illegal voting, or pays or offers to pay or accepts payment either for registration to vote or for voting shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both…”
Bold emphasis mine.
Now, if this were just a lottery set up by Elon Musk for people who sign a petition, that'd be one thing, but this petition has prerequisites aside from just signing your name on the petition. First of all, it's only for people who live in Pennsylvania. Second, you are only eligible to enter if you yourself register to vote or refer someone else in a battleground state to register to vote via a link as their sponsor.
The statute above specifically states that both offers to pay or accepted payments in exchange for registering to vote is prohibited. So not only might Elon Musk be in trouble for offering the financial incentive, so too is anyone who accepted the reward money as a result of their participation. Musk is trying to get around this by making it a random draw, but the fact that they are only eligible when they meet the specific requirement of someone somewhere registering to vote, that should be cause for concern. It's not a totally clear cut violation of the law, but it's quite clearly against the spirit of the law which wants to discourage people from using financial incentives like the one Musk is offering to compel people to vote or register to vote.
shall be fined not more than $10,000
Ahh.... the cost of doing business.
... or imprisoned not more than 5 years ...
That said, your point isn't wrong. $10,000 is nothing in this context. Criminal fines should be in direct proportion to a person's income. Also, statutes, when they mention monetary value, should peg that value to invlation, income, or some other metric that scales with time. We have SOOOOO many laws on the books that use ridiculous numbers by modern standards but were reasonable at the time they were enacted.
We have SOOOOO many laws on the books that use ridiculous numbers by modern standards
I think the most egregious ones are thresholds for felony theft. A lot of states haven't adjusted the thresholds in many decades. New Jersey for example, theft of something valued 200-500 bucks is a class 4 felony and 500-75000 is a class 3.
So like, in that particular case, someone gets in a heated argument with their roommate who owes them money, takes their Playstation 5 as collateral, they might face the same charges as someone who breaks into a construction site and steals an entire trailer full of power tools
I know, I rolled my eyes at that part too.
I hope the judge presiding would realize that fining the richest man in the world $10,000 would be like fining me one cent for a parking ticket and expecting me to have learned my lesson. Jail time should absolutely be on the table all things considered.
I wish what they'd say is, "we will prosecute this and a jury will decide."
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