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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Some have labelled Israel as a rogue nation, but their actions are explicitly and implicitly condoned through other nation’s support and silence.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, I suppose it was traumatic, bombing food relief convoys and hospitals. You could have avoided a lot of that PTSD by refusing to follow illegal orders.

Also, get farked, CNN.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Didn't the US use to invade countries for much, much less of a reason than that? Sheesh.

These days I'm finding myself agreeing with the Iranian government more and more often because of Israel's crap. I don't like agreeing with the Iranian government.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I find myself asking "How did I fall for this? How did this seem normal my whole life until now?"

We didn't hear the whole story during the Holocaust. Now we're getting live videos and firsthand accounts of steam rolling crowds.

What the fuck is wrong with a person to be OK with this at all.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

We didn’t hear the whole story during the Holocaust.

come again?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Just a bit of history, in WWII the Allies didn't know for certain that the Holocaust had occurred. Remember that it was the 1940s, information could travel quickly but only so much. It wasn't as easy for them back then to pickup the metaphorical 'signal' of the Holocaust happening to the 'noise' the rest of the war was making. So while there were rumors of mass executions of Jewish people as early as the summer of 1941, it's often said that the Allies didn't know about the Holocaust until winter 1945. Now when the Allies went from ignorant, to suspicious, to all but certain but with doubts and finally to certain without a doubt has been debated for decades and will probably be debated until the sun expands and swallows the earth whole. There was definitely a lot of hateful rhetoric being spouted about Jewish people in the 1930s that maybe should have been stopped before it nearly took over Europe, but looking back at history we have the advantage of hindsight.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm hoping they mean that we were using slower forms of communication without immediate evidence and we still stepped in to help...

But I'd rather them say that.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Poor guy. Did he also have to murder the little baby terrorists and their sobbing, horrified terrorist moms and terrorist sisters too? Poor fella. I hope he can muster the strength to do the right thing.

Fuck Israel and fuck conservatives (including neoliberals) who gleefully support this genocide. The wrong people are being erased.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ah yes, those hundreds of "terrorists" all nicely lined up in the road.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How the fuck do you run someone over with a bulldozer... no matter what i think of it's not coming up good...

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago

That link stays blue

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Riskiest click of the day. But I'm so glad I clicked it.

You win this thread.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I swear this is almost trying to parody the title of the article about the 19 year old who was burned alive

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm sure we'll soon get an article about how the pilot felt sad about bombing a hospital.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I hope not that he dies but that he lives to watch everything he cares about crumble to dust as he is powerless to the winds of change

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Dude killed himself (the one the article is about).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Dude also killed a lot of people

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Just as Chris Hedges predicted.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You would think it would be easy to find some poor conscript fuck who didn't run over civilians in a bulldozer struggling with the fact that they were coerced into being part of a genocide, but no, CNN goes with the guy who crushed human beings. Even as attempted hasbara, that's some high-level incompetence in CNN.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

CNN has to run every story through the Israeli censor in their Jerusalem bureau. The only mainstream outlet that doesn't go through that process is Al Jazeera, and Israel closed their offices.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Precisely: this is the story CNN and the IDF want you to see. No matter the CNN reader's reaction, the policy will not change.

So they do the thing because it is a demonstration that they can do the thing without repercussions. Bullingdon Club type mentality.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Aww, poor war criminals

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 week ago

"IN THE HUNDREDS"

Good god someone please operation overlord these mother fuckers.

[–] [email protected] 142 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

In the aughts, once the US torture programs started getting public attention around 2003, I did my obsessive thing on the German Reich and the Holocaust.

During Operation Barbarossa, the SS was experimenting with eradication methods. The most common was the pogrom, endorsing the locals to massacre the undesirables. When they weren't undesirable enough or it was the whole village, the einsatzgruppen (death squads) had to come do it, usually forcing them to dig a mass grave and then executing them along the side.

It was messy and brutal and gross, and there was high turnover among the death squads (the US has a similar problem with its combat drone operators). And this was a major problem.

The SS experimented with other ideas, including deathwagons that would pipe the vehicle's exhaust into an enclosed chamber to kill dozens at a time, but even that was too harsh and too slow.

This is how the prototype genocide machine was made at Auschwitz. The program was contrived so no one who interacted with the live prisoners also interacted with the dead corpses. The guy who pushed the execute button was two persons removed in the chain of command from the guy who signed off on the execution order, and none of those people had to face the prisoners or the outcome. The point specifically was to make the process of massacre less stressful for the people involved.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago

There was a Sonderkommando of Jews in Auschwitz forced calm down inmates before murdering them and to rob and cremate them afterwards. Exactly to keep the psychic toll lower on the SS and to ensure fewer witnesses.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My opinion of humanity was already so low...

[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's funny, I had the opposite reaction, I see this as pretty strong evidence of our decency. It's really, really hard to get most people to behave this way, and the ones who do wind up fucked up from it (as they should).

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

True. It's hard to make people kill, but it's much too hard to teach soldiers to refuse an amoral order.

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