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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

[email protected] "Socialist Mormon Satanist" stats generated @ 10/21/2024, 9:13:34 AM EDT

  • Account created 73 days ago (8/8/2024, 9:21:38 PM EDT)
  • 6,059 contributions (= 1,892 posts + 4,167 comments)
  • 83.0 average contributions / day
  • 11.6 mins average time between contributions (assuming 8 hrs of sleep / day)
  • 81,437 downvotes accrued
    • -64,347 net reputation points
    • ~1.3 mins between downvotes on average
    • ~14.3 average downvotes / submission
    • 0.21 upvote to downvote ratio
  • 230,920 words written as comments, 57,206 words written in posts
  • ~79 mins / day writing comments (40 words / min)
  • ~33 mins / day making posts (40 words / min + 30 secs / post)
  • ~136 hrs commenting/posting in the past 73 days which breaks down to
    • ~112 mins / day
    • ~32.6% of a full time job
    • 11.6% of their waking hours

Top 10 duplicate submissions from [email protected]

Total 617 exact dupes and 325 fuzzy (> 70% similar) dupes found.

None of this takes into account time reading others' posts/comments, or alts this user may secretly have.

lemmy.ml banned this user yesterday for being a troll. Isn’t it about time that lemmy.world did also? For Christ’s sake, there is an election going on, and it’s been beyond clear for two months that this user intends to sway it, and fully opposite anything resembling a leftist goal.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

11.6% of their waking hours

Hadn't realized it was so little.

and fully opposite anything resembling a leftist goal.

Is this a leftist politics magazine? Or was it intended to be more neutral? If it was named /m/VoteBlue or something then that's make more sense - but in fact I see there are separate magazines for moderate politics and progressive politics (that this one is partnered with).

it’s been beyond clear for two months that this user intends to sway it,

I mean that's probably true for most of us as well. (We want to sway it to a Harris win, naturally.)

lemmy.ml banned this user yesterday for being a troll. Isn’t it about time that lemmy.world did also?

I'm not sure lemmy.ml is the best example to follow here. Lots of users block the instance outright because of their censorship policies.

Ironically, a ban from lemmy.ml is likely a point in favour of this user - as tankies seem unlikely to be the type to ban a Russian troll on the Russian gov't payroll, strongly suggesting that this user is in fact not that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

You can try to use the fact that the script attempts to be objective against it, sure. That's just called "bad faith". 11.6% of a person's day is a lot, and you don't get to just erase this important piece:

None of this takes into account time reading others’ posts/comments, or alts this user may secretly have.

The most active posters on Lemmy rarely compare to this, and I've yet to see anyone as singularly focused. Not to mention the copypasta aspect which the script does a decent job of highlighting.

Is this a leftist politics magazine?

Lemmy is a leftist place. Sounds like it's not for you. No one is interested in your troll apologia.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

11.6% of a person’s day is a lot,

I didn't mean to say otherwise. What I wrote was

Hadn't realized it was so little.

So to clarify, I'm not saying that 11.6% of a person's day is a small amount of time, but I was under the impression somehow that the account was actually spending more time that than on the fediverse.

and you don’t get to just erase this important piece:

None of this takes into account time reading others’ posts/comments, or alts this user may secretly have.

Didn't mean to erase it. Rather, it seems we're lacking confident data on these points, so I didn't have anything intelligent to add. Just at this point we can't quite rule out the extreme case of the user having zero alts, and a reasonable amount time for reading posts/comments. (Worth pointing out there's a certain irony here - some folks argue this must be a shared account (one account used by many), while here the argument seems to be that this person must have alts (many accounts used by one)).

You can try to use the fact that the script attempts to be subjective against it, sure.

Aren't I doing the opposite? I'm using the objective data on the script to call for caution here and questioning assumptions. (Of course, I remain open to further evidence. Just so I'm not accused of being vague, here's one example that would change my mind: if someone suggests with a high probability these accounts are controlled by one person/entity/group and has the data to back it up, and the combined data on the accounts shows a 24/7 level of activity, I'd concede.)

That’s just called “bad faith”.

For the above reasons, I respectively disagree. I'll also point out what I did not say, to further show I'm operating in good faith:

I never said he couldn't be a bot account or a shared account, just that the evidence leaned against this.

I never said he couldn't be a GOP supporter (he says he hasn't but I keep pointing out that evidence wise it's inconclusive).

I never said I unconditionally support his posts or comments. In fact I quoted a mod who had a disapproving opinion about them (even while explaining why).

No one is interested in your troll apologia.

Ultimately, I feel like this should be a case of "innocent unless proven guilty." A ban should be treated like a pretty big deal, so folks should have the evidence prepared to justify one. And by pointing out flaws or gaps in the specific reason (it's a bot account), folks get a chance to shore up the argument to address the flaws and make it stronger. So if you want, this could be a productive back and forth.

Lemmy is a leftist place. Sounds like it’s not for you.

This is the first time - like ever - that I've been accused of not being leftist enough. Typically it's the opposite. You should run this same analysis on my posts and comments.

Also, the issue with lemmy.ml isn't that it's too leftist but that it's too tankie. Censorship heavy with an aim to ignoring abuses by regimes still following Marxism or those having just recently left it..

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

How did you generate those stats? Is it a website, bot, or what? It provides an interesting insight into how an account behaves.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Here is the tool: https://codeberg.org/p00perNickel/lemmy-user-stats

Let me know if you have any issues with it!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

It's actually a script I wrote. I'm in the process of cleaning it up. I am going to open source it once I finish. If you're interested, I can send a link to it, in the near future.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 weeks ago

Associated Press - News Source Context (Click to view Full Report)Information for Associated Press:

MBFC: Left-Center - Credibility: High - Factual Reporting: High - United States of America
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