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I was surprised when she brought up Mortal Kombat as an example of over sexualized characters, and not, say, the entire Dead or Alive series. Especially Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball. She does make some good points in her video, and I don't want to dismiss her point of view, but I feel she took the easy way out in addressing this point.
Games, and movies and tv, have treated women as sexual objects for a long time, and now the pendulum has swung the opposite way in reaction to that. It's going to take a while for games, and movies and tv, to allow for better perspectives on women. I think the indy scene is where we will find this happening before we ever see it in the major studios, since the latter has to worry about limiting risk and making investors happy. But hopefully the recent flops will be a shot across the bow and wake them up.
Except for that, this was a good video. She lays out her arguments well. I don't agree with every point, but I understand where she's coming from and can respect her point of view.
I 100% agree here.
That said, I don't think this video has much to do with patient gaming. My understanding is that most are patient not because modern games aren't worth playing, but because they're not worth playing at launch.
So while the video has merit on its own as a critique of the weird AAA over-correction, it's not particularly relevant to patient gaming.
"NOTHING IS MORE BADASS THAN TREATING A WOMAN WITH RESPECT!"
-Mr. Torgue Flexington. Borderlands 2
Thanks for the reasonable take. I almost lost hope for a second.
I rarely click on YouTube links. For some reason I gave this one a try. Turns out she's bigoted.
That'll teach me for clicking
YouTube is like the rest of the internet, some good, some bad.
YouTube, like other corporate social media and engagement platforms, thrives on anger and conflict, and pushes shitty takes higher up the recs list to get angry engagement.
So it's more likely to be bad than good.
That depends on what you watch and subscribe. Watch angry, conflict-driven videos, and you'll get those.
I personally don't get any of that shit in my feed.
As I've said three times now, I barely use YouTube and then only direct links. This isn't that. YouTube rewards civil bigots so civil bigots are common and have big audiences
Which is why my general rule of thumb is to avoid the top channels. Some things I especially try to avoid:
- lots of jump cuts
- stupid thumbnails
- clickbait headlines
Those are things that drive "engagement," and going after engagement for engagement's sake is a clear sign to me that the channel isn't worth my time. If the channel largely avoids that crap and still manages to have a respectable subscriber count, it's a lot more likely to be a decent channel. Some channels I really like:
- Gamer's Nexus
- Digital Foundry
- Tech Ingredients
Each of those have high quality content, tend to avoid most of the above (still have BS thumbnails, but not nearly as bad as the big channels), and have a sizeable following. Good content absolutely exists, you just have to scrape away the crap on top to find decent channels.
That said, I no longer use my YT account, I just subbed to everything I care about on Grayjay and Newpipe (in case one fails, and NewPipe has failed more often than not for me), and I'll watch specific channels whenever I actually use YT's website.
Absolutely. Sticking to the things they know and avoiding the recs is how a lot of people use Youtube. But all of the things you avoid are thrown in your face in the recs. Clickbait titles, bait and switch content, dogwhistling videos that start people down the path of ever more bigoted content (for example, the video the OP posted).
I generally don't engage much with video content though, so I'll just continue to ignore it
all of the things you avoid are thrown in your face in the recs
Hence why I tend to avoid the YT website. I have disabled recommendations on NewPipe and Grayjay, and that's where 95% of my YT viewing comes from.
What have y'all been clicking on YT? I watch, frankly, an unhealthy amount of YT and I don't get recommendations for hateful shit.
I barely use youtube. I actively avoid it as much as possible
At one point I was looking for some help with implementing something akin to UE's Metahumans but in Godot.
Somehow I stumbled across this one, single person on youtube who had a half decent implementation of what I was looking for...
... and after watching some other videos on her channel... yep, she's an open NeoNazi.
That was enough internet for me, that day.
yep, she’s an open NeoNazi
In the interest of not giving a potential neo nazi any more views, what made you think this? Apart from if she said "I'm a neo nazi."
Well it was pretty much just openly saying it.
Her YT channel was a mix of fairly long, sort of livestream clips of development progress and notes... and then just clips of her livestreams where she wasn't really developing and was just responding to chats, going off about political topics, 'white genocide' this, 'every democrat is a f@g communist' that, a whole bunch of other dogwhistles or overt references to memes and slogans of various extremist right wing militia type groups...
Also, for clarity, I am not talking about OP's link, I'm talking about some very obscure other person I found months ago. Much , much lower view/su count, not even monetized. Also unlike OP's link, this person actually wrote code instead of just having opinions about things.
There is a difference between being on the conservative side of a culture war and being balls deep into extremist right wing ideology.
Oh I completely misunderstood your comment.
How about you just watch and make the call yourself? Nothing about the video made me think she's a neo nazi nor did I think she's a bigot. People are allowed to want and like different things. Just because they have different wants doesn't mean they should just get random negative label on them and then be hated without actually even seeing what they say.
Well, I literally began my comment with an answer to your first question.
Well, I pointed out the reason why your beginning comment is problematic. And as sp3tr4l pointed out, OP's link isn't even the one being referred to as the neo nazi.
They’re talking about the other commenter.
Yeah, just, I'm not talking about OP's link, I'm talking about someone else.
Ok, I was not considering this point of view at all when I shared this. I was thinking that's a different point of view on patient gaming that I didn't have.
I don't know if it could be classed as patient gaming. As I understand it, patient gamers will eventually get around to current games, just not now. It doesn't sound like she ever wants to play what's been released now due to her skewed views
I see what you mean but I think there's quite an intersection with patient gamers reasons.
one of her reasons is "erasure of femininity in gaming" with a screen bemoaning "masculine features" of modern female characters, and her pinned comment says "you know things are bad when oblivion npcs are prettier than some of these new game characters" and also thanks asmongold for sending viewers her way.
so uh, how about no for this hateful garbage.
What here is hateful and if it is where is the hate aimed at?
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