General Discussion

As someone who was raised in the church I think this completely misses their perspective.

They believe that God is completely fair and just, and wouldn't make someone in a way that was contrary to how he wants people to be. So it's impossible for being LGBT to be something innate and unchangeable, since that would require God created people specifically in a way that he says is wrong.

So instead they go with "it's a choice, they were 'converted' and it's possible for them to mess up everyone else too." It's just to stave off cognitive dissonance, essentially. You can't believe in a God that says being gay is sinful and then creates people to be gay, so you have to believe it's like alcoholism or something and can affect anyone.

There's no logic behind it and clearly no scientific data, but that won't stop them because they arrived at the conclusion based purely on it being the only thing they can believe and not change the way they understand the nature of their God claim.

I'd have to agree with you, and appreciate the thought regarding not over generalizing Christians, but I understand why people tend to.

Example: Remember cake lady from Indiana? She was a bigot. It pissed me off when she tried to use the excuse of 'religious beliefs'. Since she specifically claimed Christianity, I call total BS on the grounds that Jesus NEVER treated anyone like shit (aside from the other religious people, which following that thought, means she would have gotten called out). Jesus always gave people grace, and then offered advise (specific to Christianity). I would so much rather people be honest and say they don't like ____, instead of some BS hiding behind their own distorted version of faith. I don't have to agree with their opinion, just don't lie about it.

Also, I've never had any person who's gay try to 'convert' me, ever. You could get a bunch of comedy bits out of that one though. I have had mormons and jo's witnesses come by. They were nice, but if I wanted to waste a bunch of time talking, I would definitely ask them to explain views on dancing, sexuality, etc.

The only pro gay conversion I've ever been exposed to was movies/TV shows advocating for it being a 'normal' thing. I suppose that's because in the US, it's still considered 'weird' or wrong, and writers are trying to back it for what I imagine are civil rights reasons.

I'm not sure why it's so hard to stop caring about stuff that doesn't matter (to me). I have never cared about a person's orientation.

I suspect that our home grown American and Christian homophobia is not Christian-based at all. People don’t like the thing that is different or icky, and instead of being introspective about why that is or if it’s the right thing to do, they see that the Bible or their preacher agree. Then it’s time to turn off the thought process and just go with it.

It’s just a happy little evil coincidence. Typical biblical cherry picking being spoon fed to the base. Funny how little discussion they have about how the Bible has instructions for abortions and how to treat your slaves.

That’s a big strawman

Off topic: I like to put Lemmy posts or comments into the LLMs and see what it comes back with.

The two examples Gemini provided for straw man where around the topics of gun control, and renewable energy.

It's like there's a ton of terrible arguments around the internet for these two topics /s There are.

It is just a theory, but I do think it's a pretty good one. I don't know if there's any way to prove it.

Idk. Fallacy and logic checks makes sense in the context of debate. The context of this post is not a debate (I personally see it more like a showerthought).