this post was submitted on 18 Oct 2024
405 points (98.1% liked)

News

23276 readers
4083 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Activists in swing Michigan county are alarmed by Hispanic voters backing Trump despite his anti-immigrant rhetoric

Dan Soza has seen the harsh realities of Donald Trump's immigration policies up close and so he is alarmed that many Latino voters in Saginaw, Michigan, do not take seriously the former US president's threats of mass deportations.

As a child welfare officer in Saginaw, Soza places young unaccompanied refugees in foster families and watched the Trump administration's separation of children from their parents at the Mexican border in 2018 with alarm. He said the cruelty of that policy, and the former president's threats against refugees legally in the US, should serve as a warning that Trump might do what he says.

"A lot of people who are Latino or Hispanic -- whether it be in Saginaw, Michigan, or in the country -- when they hear him say those things, they don't think he's talking about them," said Soza.

"What really worries me is that people don't remember their history. This has happened before. We've seen mass deportations before and when it happened American citizens were deported."


🗳️ Register to vote: https://vote.gov/

(page 2) 32 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Kind of a clickbait headline but there are some interesting parts in the text... It's worth keeping these in mind when doing election outreach in the US.

"... I feel like we, as Latinos, are traditionally conservative.”

"traditionally conservative" is a tautology, and this statement is a bit exaggerated, but Latinos do often have strong values associated with family, religion, work, and other things that conservatives try to "own".

Paschall said that if there is racism, it comes from white liberals who tell her that, as a Latina, she should not support Trump. She describes that view as “so deep-rooted that they don’t even realise they’re being racist”.

I disagree with Paschall's assertion. However, while white liberals call Republicans "weird", those same white liberals often come across as weird to people who don't share their ideas. DISCLAIMER: I think Republicans are weird and agree with white liberals more often than not. I'm just describing some of the attitudes I see here in my battleground state, so we can communicate better during voter outreach. END DISCLAIMER

There are other factors at play. The proportion of Mexicans crossing the border to work without visas has dropped sharply in recent years with much larger numbers of people now coming from Central and South America as refugees. They sometimes face hostility from more established Latino communities, about 60% of which are of Mexican ancestry.

There's a tendency to think of Latinos as some monolithic people, but this paragraph describes one way that isn't true. Even if you only consider those with the right to vote, there's a tremendous difference between say a third-generation Cuban-American, a recent Central American naturalized citizen in Nevada, a second-generation Puerto Rican in Georgia, and a Tejano whose family has lived here for hundreds of years. Each of them have a wide variety of priorities and opinions, it's not all about immigration. And if they vote for Trump it's not just that they're brainwashed or ignorant, a lot of times they're holding their nose in the same way a lot of people on the left are holding their nose to vote for Kamala. (Not me! I think she's all right! In fact I just recently signed up to help her campaign, I hope it's not too late...)

[–] [email protected] 122 points 1 week ago (6 children)

How can Latinos not realize how much Trump hates them? It's his main topic, how the dirty immigrants are pouring across the border bringing crime and taking American jobs. He and his cronies say it over and over with every speech.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Because they got there legally, he's not talking about them. Except they don't realise that they're voting for a world where border patrol will still harass them based on how they look.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 week ago

Because they're not immigrants anymore, he's not talking about them, you see, they're white now.

Irish and Italians did something similar for a while.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

It doesn’t matter if he’s talking about you or not. He’s talking about it for anyone. That’s a no for me dawg

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

We've seen mass deportations before and when it happened American citizens were deported."

This is the terrifying reality that these fools don’t realize. Trump’s Schutzstaffel will not care about your legal status. You could be a fourth generation citizen but if your name is even vaguely Hispanic sounding you will not be spared when they start rounding people up. You will be guilty until proven innocent. It’s a serious mistake not to take MAGA at their word when they promise mass deportations.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He’s absolutely talking about all of us, no matter what our citizenship status is. That lady and all those who support him will be the first ones to get shipped the fuck outta here because they already have their addresses and phone numbers. There’s a special place in hell for people that sell out their own kind.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's absolutely not true!

My wife should be ok, because she's white! I, otoh, was born in the NY (or, according to Southerners "no, where are you from, REALLY?!?!") so I'm fucked.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I'm Jewish, my daughter is Jewish and queer, and my wife is a librarian, who they want to be able to imprison for lending out the "wrong" books to children.

Basically we're all fucked. I'm glad I have dual citizenship with the UK. Getting my wife over is going to be a problem though.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

On one hand id love to see the leopard eating their faces, but on the other another 4 years of trump in office and on TV every day make me wanna puke.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 week ago (5 children)

My goddamn Guatamalan immigrant coworker yesterday: "Kamala ruined this country, she let in all the illegals and they're ruining everything. She did nothing to stop them!"

Ignorant and brainwashed... Ffs.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 week ago (3 children)

That’s the key. Your coworker isn’t an illegal. They arrived the legit way (in theory). So, it’s those other dirty people who are ruining the country. Not the “immigrants”, but the illegals.

So, of course Trump wouldn’t deport them, right? The GOP fully appreciates the difference between a Guatemalan who came here and has a valid Green Card versus a Mexican who crossed a river, right? The people who refer to all of Latin America as “Mexican countries” wouldn’t just round up anyone too brown and revoke their status?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I tried to explain to him that a citizen is a citizen, their "remigration" plan to "denaturalize" a citizen could be applied to anyone. but naturally then he went on about the other favorite go to for the Reich wing "she wants to take all our guns!"

load more comments (6 replies)
[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 week ago

My in-laws came over the border illegally. They busted their ass and are now legal.

They are voting for Trump, again, BECAUSE OF THE ILLEGALS COMING INTO THE COUNTRY.

I shit you not, they love to tell the story of their struggle leaving a war-torn country to get here. Yet, they can't comprehend actually fixing immigration vs. just build a wall. Fuck you got mine.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I don't understand how this can be an interpretation when trump and vance made clear they are indifferent if the immigrants are legal and working. They've pushed the point the springfield immigrant community shouldn't be here, shouldn't be supported, even if they came legally - it's the wrong kind of legal. There's nothing directing which 'legals' are good in their policy.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just ask them "Which one let you in?"

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I posted an article a few days ago about a guy who came to the U.S. illegally, got citizenship under Obama, was and complaining to Trump about how he can't find workers for his restaurant while praising him and doing the full MAGA thing.

Just made me facepalm.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I swear every day I get reminded just how fucking horrible and selfish a gigantic portion of humanity is. It really sucks. :/

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (4 children)

That guy isn't just horrible though, he's super clueless. If Trump does his mass deportation, he's going to have a lot more trouble finding workers for his restaurant than he does now.

And I would put good money on him having undocumented immigrants working in his kitchen like virtually every other restaurant kitchen in this country.

load more comments (4 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago
[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Hell, this history was like 4 years ago when he was president and deporting Hispanic immigrants and still hasn't shut up about his border wall or being harsh immigrants. It isn't ancient history or anything.

Do they think that his recent focus on Haitian immigrants means he likes Latino immigrants now?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Haitians are Latino, because Haiti is part of Latin America. I'm guessing MAGA Latinos don't care for that fact, however.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Geographic based definitions from the US government for the census are not the same as cultural self identification.

Why would a French colony that gained independence identify themselves with the former Spanish and Portuguese colony label?

https://zafenou.com/do-haitians-call-themselves-latino/

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 week ago

Because french, spanish and portuguese are romance languages. You don't know this?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Maybe because it's on Hispaniola?

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Cool. I can come up with a random person's opinion too. https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2022/9/16/hispanic-haitians-exist-op-ed/

Hatians are Latino because Haitians are Latin American. Just like the inhabitants former British colony of Belize are Latino and the residents of the French colony in South America, French Guiana are Latino. Also, the people in the former Portuguese colony of Brazil are Latino.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

yeah and all europeans are the same group of white caucasians right? their culture and opinions must be very unified!

go back to school

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

What are you even talking about?

Are French Guianans Latino? Are Belizeans Latino? Are you Latino if none of your ancestors are Spanish but all of them are Mayan? Are the people on the other half of the island that Haiti is on Latino? Do you become Latino of your parents are Haitian and they move to the Dominican Republic and you're born there?

Or are you suggesting that you can't be black and Latino? Because 60 million plus Afro-Brazilians would definitely challenge you on that one.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Also, the people in the former Portuguese colony of Brazil are Latino.

You don't say!

...former Spanish and Portuguese colony label?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Interesting how you had nothing to say about Belize and French Guiana.

Also funny how people on the Haiti side of the island are, according to you, not Latino, but people on the Dominican Republic half of the exact same island presumably are, correct?

Is someone of Haitian ancestry that gets born in the Dominican Republic Latino?

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments
view more: ‹ prev next ›