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BRING IT ON NITPICKY NUKE NERDS

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I don't claim to be an expert on nuclear power, so take what I say with a grain of salt, but from what I've seen, smaller reactors don't seem to make much sense. The trend seems to be towards bigger reactors with bigger power output. Some of it thanks to the bureaucracy of getting permits per reactor, but also the physics, engineering, real estate and economics involved. Conventional (i.e. existent) reactors are typically a fairly small part of a nuclear power plant's footprint, so no matter how much you miniaturize them you will have the overhead of security, operations, cooling and electrical infrastucture.

If someone can fill me in on the benefits of smaller, more modular nuclear reactors and how they might outweight those of large installations, I'm interested.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If these nuclear plants manage to come to fruition, it'll be the sole miniscule silver lining of the bubble. Considering its AI, though, I expect they'll probably suffer some kind of horrific Chernobyl-grade accident which kills nuclear power for good, because we can't have nice things when there's AI involved.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

even if you're ardently pro-nuclear, SMRs are just a failure purely on the economics and always have been. And that's before wind/solar/battery made them just obsolete. So SMRs are the perfect tech when you don't want to do anything useful.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

BRB making a video for a cold fusion based kickstarter. I smell money

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Remember to say it's optimized for net zero datacenter operations

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

how come all these botfans talking points are just repackaged cryptobros talking points

it keeps happening

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

you'd almost think they were literally the same fucking guys

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

coincidence?? yeah probably

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

just one more SMR bro

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I swear they looked at Bill Gates failing to launch SMRs and thought: "he's a smart guy"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Of all the things that will never happen, this is the one that will never happen the most.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I give it slightly higher odds than AGI.

Edit: or cryptocurrency replacing fiat

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Google has signed a deal with California startup Kairos Power for six or seven small modular reactors. The first is due in 2030

So, well after the bubble is going to pop.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh no, they created the means to generate non-fossil-fuel energy for nothing /s

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Who knew that the only thing stopping nuclear power, the most morally and environmentally correct power source (uranium is only produced by popes shitting in the woods), was that Google and Amazon hadn’t thrown money in the direction of Chernobyl first. It was so simple this whole time. Now it’s solved and I can go back to gaming.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

At least is technically feasible (although completely impossible to do in that timeframe)

Unlike the cold fusion energy deal that Microsoft greenwashed last year that's pure science fiction (invent, create, test and build a cold fusion reactor in just 4 years: impossible unless they got a time machine or found some alien tech in a remote cave)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm looking forward to seeing the tech attitude of "move fast and break things" being brought to nuclear reactors.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

BRING IT ON NITPICKY NUKE NERDS

Well acthtually we prefer to be called fission/fusion nerds

"greenwashing is cheaper than action" indeed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

wouldn't it make more sense to put NPP on seashore and just dump waste heat to ocean like everyone else does

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Iirc at the sea in friesland was one of the options yes. But the farmer option was also landlocked, de achterhoek if you want to look it up.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Caroline van der Plas and that entire gaggle of talking heads that call themselves a political party are a bunch of muppets. Muppets that are being puppeteered by a very wealthy dairy and agricultural industry

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Deze post klopt! ;)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Alright so you can have them funding the next generation of nuclear power, which would eventually bring this new form into the mainstream by having them deal with the costs associated with ironing out any issues they have and very likely making it economically viable…

Or…

These tech companies can use fossil fuels to power their AI. Like it or not, they arent going to stop developing AI and data centers. They need the power either way. Solar and wind won’t keep up with that level of demand and tech companies know it. So choose. Nuclear, or fossil fuels?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Like it or not, they arent going to stop developing AI and data centers.

Well they should. I'm not giving them credit for investing in vaporware nuclear plants when the ostensible plan is to waste all the power on glue pizza recipes.

I wish they at least put that money in real and known working designs available right now so at least when the fad is dead, we can maybe use that power for something else. Or they can maybe have the tiniest decency to unfuck their search engine or whatever.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

as you will discover if you read, the use case for SMRs is to keep doing coal

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Try option three. No one is going to pay for any of that because LLMs are useless machines.

Fun Fact: it took 42 years to start Watts Bar Unit 2.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You're correct that I can't stop them from making pants on head stupid decisions, but I'm not going to stop making fun of them.

very likely making it economically viable…

They're going to fund currently economically nonviable nuclear plants to power their currently economically nonviable genAI schemes? Over the time horizon of 25 years before they scale up energy capacity at all? Maybe pants on head is too generous.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I’m not crunching the numbers over here, but they must be making money off AI if they’re doing this. I’m sure they have further plans that aren’t public yet.

I’m not a fan of AI, so if Microsoft or Google ends up in a dumpster fire because of all this I will never stop laughing about it. I just don’t expect it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Meta's happy to give away models for free, so models are evidently worth $0.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I’m sure they have further plans that aren’t public yet.

Nah dawg you’re just too stupid to see how bubbles work.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

but they must be making money off X if they’re doing this.

is such a laughable, ridiculous thing to say, like what the fuck dude, where did you get this idea from even

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (15 children)

Yeah corporations love spending massive amounts of money on projects with no return on their investment. Microsoft is signing a 20 year contract for massive amounts of power for funsies, and totally handing out copilot licenses for free to all the other corporations that are adopting it.

Have you ever sat in a meeting with corporate people? All they every think about is money money and more money. Laugh all you want - MS is doing the laughing as every company scrambles to adopt AI purely out of fear of being left behind, and they are paying for it. The install base is already so huge for the OS, this is the easiest payout they could ask for. They have to shit the bed HARD to fuck this up.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I’ll take “comments posted with extremely definite and concrete knowledge of current operator spend and market dynamics” for 2c, Alex

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah corporations love spending massive amounts of money on projects with no return on their investment.

This message squirted into the ether from my Zune

They have to shit the bed HARD to fuck this up.

Fun fact: The default color for the Zune was brown.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

they're not. chatgpt4 burns more energy than subscription is worth, and that was text only and before that 4o shitshow

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Look, Sam Altman is a billionaire and a genius. He has a plan! So what if OpenAI is losing money on every request that ChatGPT serves? They'll make it up in volume! Any idiot can see the genius in that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I’m not crunching the numbers over here, but they must be making money off AI if they’re doing this.

Sounds familiar...

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is promising. The high energy demands of AI has big tech investing in the field of small modular reactors (SMR).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (9 children)

how do you do, fellow kid. tell me more about the field of shitty muclear reactors (SMR)

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