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Windows 10 only has a year of support: 12 months left to keep Copilot off your desktop or learn Linux (www.pcgamer.com)

submitted 6 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

When did PC Gamer start hijacking the back button to show more ads? Infuriating.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I just open things in new tabs with the mouse wheel click, then press ctrl-w to close the tab.

I don't play their games

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 months ago (9 children)

There's Windows 10 LTSC, which gets security updates til 2027. And IoT Enterprise LTSC, which gets security updates until 2032.

"But should you even use those versions?!? They are not meant to be installed on a desktop PC/laptop" - idk, it's either this or Win11.

For more info on how to install, check https://massgrave.dev/windows_ltsc_links

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I only use the computer for word processing, internet, and playing roguelikes.

Fine. I guess I'll learn Linux 😒

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

As someone who understands windows fairly well, but until recently couldn't use the command line to save my life, I started dual booting Ubuntu and it's pretty easy to figure out once you understand what you're looking for. Only things I'm still trying to get running are alternatives for the stream deck software, iCUE, and voicemeeter, but I havem't really invested much time into them yet.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (9 children)

Sometimes people get caught up trying to find exact matches for software, when instead it's a combination of tools that gets the job done on another OS. The annoying thing is learning new toolsets -- but it's only annoying until you know them.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Pirate a copy of windows 11 N. It’s the eu version that doesn’t have any of this dogshit in it.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I’m a government contractor, so I’m stuck on Windows and Microsoft products for work. It really sucks, but the government ain’t switching to Linux anytime soon… if ever. At least Windows 11 Enterprise (or Government, whatever) should have a lot of this shit stripped out. I hope.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Usually at that scale you create images with all this crap removed. When deployment time comes, the machines are reimaged from local/state IT.

I feel bad for the average home user that, at this point views more ads than content, and all this telemetry collection to boot.

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

No gaming support, steam deck it is…

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[+] [email protected] -18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (7 children)

Until games fully support Linux or the other way around, I won't be using Linux.

Also can't really say that I care about Copilot that much. I don't use it and it doesn't bother me.

Edit: lol the people triggered by this will never not be entertaining.

It's always the same "Games work fine on Linux... But..". And it's that "but" that's usually a massive problem or nuisance to work with.

No thanks. I'll stick to Windows for gaming just fine.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I agree with you on that last bit. Pretty fucking annoying to see people act like Linux is perfectly fine for games which give new people some hope only to be frustrated and quit when they realize it’s not as fine as people make it out to be

They don’t realize that its hurting the chances of people actually adopting linux when they say misleading shit

For now linux is worth dual booting. Use linux for everything else and windows for gaming

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (4 children)

All you have to do is check this website to check support quality for your games https://www.protondb.com/, and then decide if you want to quit. I think you don't realize how low effort it is now, not more effort that escaping from Microsoft's waves of enshitification.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)

Years ago I switched to Linux on my PC and everything was fine. But there was a game I wanted to play that didn't work on Linux, so I created a small Windows partition to dual boot. Later, that game became two, then three, and so on. I had to reformat some partitions to ntfs (iirc I was using reiserfs) to expand available storage for Windows to add more games. Then at one point I realized it's been a while since I've booted into Linux and I don't even know if it still works.

So yeah, use whatever fits your needs. I'll always pick Linux PC or Mac for work, but I'll stick with Windows for gaming.

For context, I've been on computers since the 8bit era and I've been programming for just as long. I prefer the power of a terminal over GUIs, my "IDE" of choice is vim. I use Git Bash in Windows for access to Linux-style commands. So yeah, I am technical and I prefer Linux for practical reasons. But when I want to play a game I want to just start it and play it, not work for days to maaaybe get it to mostly run fine except for some features.

Edit: one of the games I had to use Windows for was League. A competitive online game with anti-cheat features.

Edit2: note that this was many years ago and some other games I needed Windows for will now probably work on Linux effortlessly. At least one has native support for Linux now.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

That's been pretty much a similar experience I used to have. Especially online games often suffer from poor Linux support because anti-cheat systems aren't working, or not up-to-date, or something else entirely. It just felt like there was always something. I just want to boot up my PC and get going. Not boot it up and having to spend half the evening trying to figure out why a random driver/game/anti-cheat update destroyed everything that was working fine.

I'd be fine trying it again, but I know that a few games I play are still struggling with Linux issues, judging by the regular posts popping up on the related social media platforms.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I recently switched (again... again again) I am on Linux (Nobara) for good now. All the games I play either work natively, through proton, or Lutris. The worst I have to do is use a different proton version or add in a launch option.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

What games are you playing though? People seem to conveniently leave that part out lol

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Most games work on linux with proton nowdays. Only thing that doesnt really work is games with anticheat.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I would say most anticheat works (although some games specifically choose to not allow Linux). It's just kernel level anticheat that flat out doesn't work (which is malware anyway)

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

There's even some options, like Heroic and Junk Store, that allow you to install some anti-cheat.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I switched to Linux about a month ago now and so far every game I've tried has worked flawlessly.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Check your favorite games on this website that tells how well it runs on Steams on Linux, you may have surprises. https://www.protondb.com/

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So I'm still using Windows on my desktop, but from my experience with Proton on Steam Deck, Proton works pretty flawlessly essentially translating the windows exe. I'm assuming it's the same for a Linux desktop setup but I'll let others who actually have experience here comment further. The only thing that you may have issues with are competitive online games, but those aren't really my jam but understandable if they are for you.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

That's the thing. I play a lot of online games, not specifically competitive games, but they frequently do use stuff like EAC. And the amount of times I've seen EAC issues paired with Linux posts pop up on various social platforms is ridiculous. It seems like a recurring thing that requires constant maintenance. Not to mention I use Windows for more than just games. Stuff like Adobe doesn't even work on Linux and probably won't be anytime soon either (and no I am not going to use alternative programs).

The effort and time it takes to get stuff working on Linux usually isn't worth it, and then there's hoping that everything stays working whenever something gets updated.

It's quite ridiculous how a lot of people on this platform take it as a personal insult though. The article title is complete clickbait anyway.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

No one is taking anything here as a personal insult outside of your own mind. More likely than not they simply think your effort doesn't count for much as gaming on Linux is stellar out of the box.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 6 months ago (1 children)

well it's gonna use you soon.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Okay, well, I hope it takes me out for dinner first.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

🎵🎶...Sweet dreams are made of this... 🎶🎵

[–] [email protected] 131 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

I am quite disappointed. Given the title, I was like, wow, a generalist PC gaming website recommending people to switch to Linux! Read the article, Linux is not mentioned at all, I don't even know why it is in the title. Getting a few clicks from hippies?

[–] [email protected] 44 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Totally uncool man.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Like radically insidious man.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Not cowabunga at all.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Totally unbodacious

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Totally not Not-Heinous

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 months ago (2 children)

the problem is so many office workplaces use windows and google, so unless you want to bring your own computer and buy a wifi hotspot to take to work, you're stuck on windows and google

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

And Google? I'm sure some companies use Google Apps for Business or whatevere they are calling it now, but the vast majority use Microsoft 365. Which does basically tie you to Windows, annoyingly. Especially if they are following industry and Microsoft best practices with MDM and Conditional Access.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

lol we use google suite for email, calendars etc. but MS for SSO. our sister institutions mostly use MS 365, teams etc, so we also have to have all the MS crap in addition to the google crap

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)

My work all takes place in a Linux environment. Unfortunately, my workplace still mandates using Windows.

I don't require any Windows software for work. My boss just insists that I must use a Windows laptop, then do all of my work either in WSL or a traditional VM setup.