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[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Yep. In 2003 when the whole torture program became a public discussion, it started this deep dive for me:

And then my dad started saying torture was acceptable and waterboarding isn't really torture because Donald Rumsfeld says so. And my only argument at the time was that the princess is tortured by the Galactic Empire (specifically by Darth Vader) to show that it is super evil and needs its Death Star blown up.

Twenty years later I'm fairly well read in moral philosophy, but also know my dad has gone full MAGA and wouldn't have cared if I could explain why torture is wrong.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

More seldom than not, the movies gives us exquisite sex and wholesome violence, that underscores our values. Every two child did. I will.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, can't get fooled again" dodges shoe

[–] [email protected] 43 points 9 months ago

Can you shrink this down a bit further? Some of the text is still barely legible.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I miss the days of when our biggest concern was when W would say something and we collectively said, "dafuq did he just say?!" But then we continued on with our day.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

our biggest concern was when W would say something and we collectively said, “dafuq did he just say?!”

Didn't he torture people and found an agency that fingers your asshole when you fly?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I naively thought Obama would address that, but the finger banging and torture continue. We just don't talk about it much anymore.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I naively thought Obama would address that

Bro I was piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiised when he said

I thank President Bush for his service to our Nation

instead of charging him for warcrimes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

It was the Obama presidency that completely disillusioned me of making any real change via election. I wish I could explain how much I poured my heart into campaigning for Obama in 08. The progressive who campaigned was not the same as the conservative we got in office.

I realize it's better than the alternative, and we did see some small progress for LGBTQ+ rights and the tiniest glimmer of hope in DACA, but nothing that could gloss over the many atrocities he signed off on.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I mean, he also was big on starting forever wars.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

But he encouraged people to put food on their families.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's basically a given for any president

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

The thing I like about Trump. No Syria, no Iran (but almost!), no North Korea excursion. That was the thing.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago

Hey hey, no reason to bring up the past.

I think we agree, the past is over.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 9 months ago

“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”