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[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Eww extremely embarrassing that they used Windows.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

ITT: people think emulators are only the ones you can download

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

In this comment: Someone who is not familiar with the history of Nintendo selling pirated versions of their own games and ripping off pirate emulators then passing them as their own.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago

Did the terms of the emulators they ripped off allow them to? Not saying it's morally okay.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

or the history of nintendo falsely claiming that emulation itself was an illegal practice when trying to bully and scare people into submission...

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 day ago (1 children)

pull a WordPress and force a TOS in the license to say you cannot be affiliated with Nintendo in any way in order to use this software.

they want to emulate their hardware? then they can build their own emulator.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 23 hours ago (5 children)

I believe they do have their own emulator. It logically would be what powers the Nintendo arcade

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

if its under GPL couldn't they be forced to disclose the source code?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Only if they made modifications

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But they own it. I thought even I could download a ROM if I have the actual game no?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

No, at least in the US, you can only back up your own ROM if you own the game, not download someone else's backup. The real problem here is that Nintendo's (idiotic) stance is ALL emulation/backups are piracy and here they are being hypocrites about it.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Just for the record, this is exactly what any museum would do, because they're not going to actually run any of the older hardware. Because that hardware is part of their collection, and it behoves them not to put wear on them.

Also because emulators can be managed remotely.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is a "Museum" run by Nintendo in Japan. Meaning they could have used or even created more original hardware to run the titles, but instead cut costs by using the same Emulators that they're hoping to take down.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Them being the original creator of the products doesn't necessarily imply that they still have running production processes for every product that they ever made.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Even if they don't use the real old hardware then at least they could have created something that is closer to the original hardware, for example a SNES/NES/N64 console based on FPGA in a recreated original shell. Anything but a stupid emulator running on a Windows PC.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (9 children)

An FPGA seems like a lot of effort, but an SNES emulator running on a Raspberry Pi seems like it may have been a better option IMO.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 day ago

Any other museum wouldn't be a hypocrite for doing so.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That is highly depending on the type of Museum. Many Videogame and Computer Museums (at least in Germany) are showing the real Hardware running, some are even allowing the visitors to use and play at the old machines. And yes, they are often very used to repairing the hardware too.

I would expect from Nintendo that they would show and use real hardware in their museum, and not some emulators. Because I can see the games on an emulator at home (for example using my Switch Online or my SNES Classic), I don't need a museum for that experience.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I know to be a certified museum in the US, you must work to preserve your articles in perpetuity, meaning anything that could be detrimental to the article is discouraged if not totally disallowed.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They're fucking Nintendo. They made the consoles they're showing off in their museum. They absolutely have the ability to supply that museum with equipment and maintain it in perpetuity, because they fucking invented it

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (6 children)

That's not the point of it though. Not about whether you could fix or maintain it when operating it, it's about not operating it if presents a notable risk of failure. The Smithsonian doesn't start grinding cornmeal in a bowl from the Mississippians. The Connecticut Museum doesn't take it's colt rifles out the range for target practice. These organizations would use a replica to demonstrate what it was like, as opposed to risking damaging an original article.

Thats also not even necessary true either. While they may have invented there various consoles, at some point it will be nearly impossible to acquire replacement parts. They don't manufacture the ICs or mainboards or the various discreet components. So if there's no old stock, how would they "fix" a broken N64 (or later) console? It might be theoretically possible to fab a NEC VR4300 to replace a dead one, but probably cost hundreds of thousands, and it wouldn't be broken anyway if you hadn't left if running 16 hours a day so some sweaty tourists could play on real hardware.

And why would they? It would cost more, be more work, and have less reliable results than using a completely replacable computer running an emulator. The entire consumer facing side of the equation is worse if they run the games on the actual hardware, as long as the consumer doesn't see it, which is really down to how they design the exhibit.

Do you think the public is understanding enough to accept that "The NES is really old and it broke so you can't play super mario bros today", when it's the only day you are gonna be there? Temper tantrum, bad reviews, loss of face. From what I understand, Japan actually cares about all that, so Nintendo probably does as well.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ok that is not the case in Germany, here you can have items multiple times, to have some to archive and some to use.

I can see that the preservation aspect is very valid for highly rare or one of a kind items, but that is generally not the case with retro hardware. Yes there are examples for that too (like C65 or other prototype stuff) but nobody would expect a museum to put that to use.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That's the case... For now.

No one would have cared to preserve a Mosin Nagant from 1892 when they were making 500,000 of them, why would they? You can just go and buy more, the factory is right over there. Fast forward 132 years later, they are scarce antiques. And in another 100 years, there may only be a dozen left.

The entire field of computers as we know it, integrated circuits, is about half as old as that particular rifle, and the technology has changed so fast, it's really crazy.

So while it might seem like that's reasonable now, I mean the people who designed those systems are often still alive, even still working. Of course we can still fix and use them.

Now give it 60 or so years, your sitting around in you retirement community, sad you lost the auction for a 2003 eMachines tower PC with all the stickers still attached, kicking yourself about how you tossed one out back in the day.

At least you kept your Atari Jaguar, kept in a hermetically sealed container, that managed to save when you had to evacuate from the 2nd Finnish-Korean Hyperwar.

Edit: Abominable spelling

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Unless they store everything in high vacuum and near absolute zero, it's going to get oxidized and fail eventually. There is no such thing as perpetuity. Might as well give them some use.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Your body is going to fail eventually, so you might as well stop brushing your teeth and start drinking scotch at breakfast. /s

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You really think an old parchment document would survive being in a high vacuum and near absolute zero?

Yeah sure, nothing lasts forever, but the really not the point. Your goal is to attempt to preserve your articles forever.

Are you going to fall short? Absolutely, but your still required to attempt to do so. So you avoid doing anything directly harmful, such as operating an old computer, firing an old cannon, or diving an old car.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Plus you can do stuff like reset the emulator to a certain state pretty easily. Without having to reboot the hardware or anything. So you could do an exhibit on level 7 and have the game queued up to the level the exhibit is about.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I won't be buying a Switch 2 and if I can't pirate Nintendos games I won't play them. I refuse to reward them for their bad behavior. Like a little child who throws tantrums they belong in the time out area.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I really love those doofy detachable Joycons. However I have instead gone with the Steam Deck as it is open to the point of allowing custom OS and they advertise capability for DIY repairs.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I don't think they care if you won't buy their consoles or games anyways.

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